Projector Wisdom with Uma Girish

Rebecca:

Welcome to Beautifully Bloomed, the podcast where we explore how to break
you out of the box of rules and beliefs that are holding you back from the
life you're meant to live. I'm your host, Rebecca Tervo. Join me as I share
mindset tools, coaching conversations, and human design, to help you
uncover your unique gifts and create the life, relationships and business,
you desire.

Rebecca:

Uma Girish is a spiritual mentor for women who have experienced deep loss,
but know there's a purpose to their lives. She guides them to find the
meaning in their loss so that they can make a difference, they came here to
make. Uma is a published author of three books. Two of them, nominated for
the Chicago book awards. To learn more about her work visit, umagirish.com.

Rebecca:

Hi Uma. Thank you so much for coming.

Uma:

Hi Rebecca. Oh, it's my pleasure. Thank you for having me.

Rebecca:

Yes. So I always ask at the beginning, so that we can give some context to
our relationship, like how we met and yeah.

Uma:

We met in Jackie Johnstone's human design community. I don't even remember
what it was called, but it was a foundations sort of space. And we
connected every month through the calls that Jackie had to explain human
design and we kind of dove into our design steeper and in the Q and A and
yeah, I think that's how we got to know each other. We were in the Facebook
community and we kind of learned about individual designs and about how to
read other people's designs as well. That was sort of a starting point for
me, as I'm guessing it was for you.

Rebecca:

Yeah, that was really my first learning experience about human design in
more of a formal way, rather than me just reading a book. So, that was
really fun. And I remember, I actually knew of you before that because both
you and I were grief coaches, at least I thought you were a grief coach at
the time. I was-

Uma:

I was. I was.

Rebecca:

Oh, you were. And Caryn Gillen sent me your way. She's like, you should
check out this Facebook group that Uma has. So I remember checking you out
before Jackie's group. So-

Uma:

Okay. Okay.

Rebecca:

Yeah, because Caryn was my coach at the time. And so I remember... Yeah,
just seeing what you were up to because I was in the grief coaching space
and to be honest, even at that time, I'm not sure I was really into the
grief coaching space anymore, but I was still trying to maneuver me trying
to fit in there, which yeah. It didn't last that long afterwards, but yeah.
So then you're in Jackie's group and I was like, oh, here's Uma again.

Uma:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

Yay. So, and the funny thing is, and I've mentioned this before on the
podcast is that my son is a... He's not a 6/2, he's a 6/3 mental projector
and you're a 6/2 mental projector and I was just like, I would pay
attention to everything about what you were asking about and saying,
because I was really trying to understand him. The 6/2 or 6/3 isn't the
part, it was the mental projector part. I was trying to figure out. I was
like, I need to figure him out.

Uma:

Yeah because there are only 2% of us in the entire world.

Rebecca:

So amazing. Yeah, well then I started paying attention. I'm like, where is
his wisdom? I'm guessing I'm not inviting it. Somehow he's not being
invited to share his wisdom or something because I was like, what's going
on? So yeah. I've learned a lot about that from you, just from being in
your presence, like, okay, how does Uma do things? Let me figure this out.
So thank you for that and I'm excited to have you on the call today as a
projector. So I hope we can talk about some of that stuff for the
projectors who will come into my world and the projectors are all
different, right? This is what I've learned. Right? Some are energetic
projectors and some aren't and that's even like this different feeling
between projectors.

Rebecca:

It's so fascinating, but I know, so all the wisdom you're here to share,
I'm here for it. I'm inviting you in. Yay. We share all that wisdom. Okay.
So now that we, and we'll talk more about human design in a bit, but I was
curious, what are you doing now? So what I knew you was doing, you were a
grief coach, have you gone forward with something different or what are you
doing now?

Uma:

So grief and loss is always going to be part of my work. I can't quite
divorce myself from that because I think when the soul goes through
something, we are meant to make that our soul offering. So my soul's
transformation happened when my mother died in January 2009. And that's
what got me started on my journey. And so that's the space I know best. But
instead of limiting myself to helping women move through the pain of loss,
where I feel most connected these days is the conversation around purpose.
Because that was my journey. It was through the most difficult and painful
loss of my life, that I opened to my purpose and everything I'm doing in
the world today, all the ways in which I'm showing up and creating my
legacy is thanks to that awful thing that happened.

Uma:

I'm even able to say, I'm grateful that it happened in the way that
happened, so today I work in two different ways. One is with women who have
known deep loss, like you said in my intro, but they also know that there's
a deeper purpose and meaning to their lives, except they don't know what
their purpose is. They don't know how to find it. They're struggling in
that middle space. They know the loss they've been through is speaking to
them very loudly. There's something to be mined from the gold, but they
don't know how to do it. And that's where I come in. So, that's one aspect
of the work I do. The second aspect of the work I do is a very different
kind of loss. So in this space, I work with women who've awakened, simply
like how I awakened in 2009, when my mother died, and are walking a soulful
path, soul-led park, but they're in long-term marriages or partnerships
where their spouse or partner doesn't get what they're doing, doesn't
understand why it's important to them, why they feel a need to follow their
soul's calling.

Uma:

When that happens, there's a very, very deep sense of disconnection. And
that creates grief in the marriage dynamic. So how do you navigate this
space? Do you look for the edit door? Which is typically what women have
done, right? But can this be an invitation instead of looking for the exit
door called divorce, can this be an invitation to connecting a deeper level
of intimacy with yourself? And when you connect with yourself on that deep
intimate level and get to know you in a way that you haven't known yourself
before, the intimacy in the relationship deepens. So, that program is
called Sacred Soul Union. I'm in fact launching the next round in August.

Rebecca:

Oh, that's amazing. Yeah. Well, I agree. The disconnection we feel in our
relationships somehow... Sometimes it's mirroring something we're going
through ourselves, the disconnection with ourselves, probably.

Uma:

Yeah, exactly. I always say everything begins and ends with us. Everyone
who's provoking us and triggering us is holding up a mirror to some aspect
of us we haven't looked at or resolved. That's the only reason why we are
here and so you can't really go away from life and live like a monk on a
mountain top because you're never going to evolve in my view. If we want to
be evolved and we want to awaken and transform, the best place to be is in
a relationship. Relationships teach us more about ourselves than anything
else can. So every time we are redirected by a trigger by a provocation,
it's an invitation to go inside and say, which unhealed aspect of me is
this person holding up for me to examine?

Rebecca:

Yeah. And when people are with you, because you're so open, right, you... I
assume in human design, you have your defined Ajna and Throat? Is that what
you have?

Uma:

Yes. I have a defined Ajna and Throat.

Rebecca:

That's my son too. Yeah. So it's like, you're so open. Right? So you're
kind of a mirror anyways, for a lot of things. People are like, Uh oh, when
we're with Uma, she's telling me all the things I need to know.

Uma:

But you know, Rebecca, that requires me to polish my own mirror and keep it
clean. So that's an invitation for me to constantly do the work of going
inward and seeing what are these aspects of me that still provoke, that
still are triggered, that still feel out of alignment with who I am and who
I came here to be, all the parts of me that are not my true self, but that
are my faults. So in polishing my own mirror, I become a better mirror that
can reflect other people back to themselves.

Rebecca:

Mm-hmm (affirmative) That's cool. So I love the idea of helping people be
themselves so they can be in their relationship because well, one thing
I've learned is just changing your circumstances doesn't necessarily deal
with your problems, right? Because we can run away, we can change
circumstances, like you said, the exit door. We can certainly do that. But
that doesn't mean that you've solved the issue because wherever you go, one
thing I always used to like to say, wherever you go, there you are. You're
still there. It's the same.

Uma:

You don't get to leave yourself behind

Rebecca:

You just brought your same thoughts and beliefs and feelings with you to
the next thing and so without healing, that first thing, yeah. That's not
going to help. So-

Uma:

You're just going to invite a new set of people and a new set of
circumstances who will provoke the exact same thing inside of you.

Rebecca:

Yes. It's the same lesson over and over again. We can see those people that
get into the same, bad relationships over-

Uma:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

It's so funny because it's like, you left that one now you're with...
You're basically in the same kind of relationship all over again, but
they're not getting it. Right. It's like, I don't know why I always...
Right. I hear that. I don't know why... I'm like, so yes. So awesome. And I
heard you say before you like to work with small groups of women because
just that intimacy, right?

Uma:

Yeah. When we speak about things like loss and feeling lost around our
purpose, I want every woman in my group to feel seen and heard. Everyone
must have an opportunity to ask questions, to receive coaching from me and
if I have 20 women in the group, that's not going to happen because we
can't be there for three hours. Right. For that reason, I like to keep my
groups really small, especially my marriage group, where they're talking
about very, very intimate, personal aspects of their lives. And so in order
to feel comfortable, in order to feel safe and seen and heard, I like to
limit these groups to four to five women. Yeah.

Rebecca:

Yeah. I just had a discussion about that. The difference between a four or
five person group to a 10 to 12 person group, even there's such a
difference. I've been in both and I've been in 10 or 12 person masterminds.
I've been in four to five person masterminds. It's like, there's a very
much of a difference in even in the way you connect with other people and
you get to know them at such a deep level. And it feels, for me, which I
have a line four in my personality profile, I love connection and community
and intimacy and friendship and all of that feels good. So that sounds
amazing that you offer that small... There's a lot of groups, people are
offering lots of big groups, which I know that can be helpful too, but
small group is just something you don't... It's rare. Right? It's like, in
today's world, I find it harder to find one-on-one or small group work,
when they do the big groups.

Uma:

Yeah. Everyone wants the big groups because then maybe you can price it in
a certain way that brings in more income. And I, because these groups are
small, I don't make them super cheap. My sole purpose group is 997 for six
months and my Sacred Soul Union, which is a three month program, but we
meet every week, unlike the other program, that is 2,500. But that's
because I pose so much of me into the program. Every week we meeting, there
are 10 sessions in all, and I guide them on meditations and they get a PDF
to read through every month, focusing on the theme of the month that we're
working on. And so there's a lot that I give to the program. But given that
I only want four or five women in the group, I also have to price it in
such a way that it allows me to offer value and also receive from them.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And in that way, I just wanted to bring in that projector thing, how
have you found it best then for you to work in your business as a
projector, without any of the four motor centers defined, right. You don't
have the emotional Solar Plexus, you don't have the Will, you don't have
the Sacral and you don't have the Root. So, I'm just curious from that
perspective.

Uma:

Yeah. So now that I'm sitting with you and doing this podcast interview,
I'm actually taking energy from you and trading it for wisdom. That's how
it works, right, for a projector. So we need to be really careful in who we
are inviting into our space because the wrong person in the group can
really drain the energy, not just my energy, but the energy of the group.
So I really have to be careful about the women coming into my space and
group programs work really well for that reason, because I get to inspire
impact and influence a group, even if it's a small group instead of one
person.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Uma:

And for that, I like doing group programs. I also love community. I have
gate 13, which is the gate of the listener. So I love that I can listen to
a group of people and make a difference in their lives instead of one
person, which means I have to do many one-on-one sessions and that somehow
doesn't feel good for me being a projector. That said, I do offer
one-on-one sessions, but these people have to be a really good fit for me
and they have to be willing and ready to dive deep and work with me. So I
have very clear boundaries. That's really important.

Rebecca:

That's good to know. So that's a good tip for projectors or people with the
undefined sacral, right? There's some manifestors out there that that could
have, I think, just one motor center. So yeah, for any of those people,
with those motor centers that aren't defined, it's good to know, have clear
boundaries about who comes in because you can borrow the energy of the
group, but reminding yourself too, that it's not your consistent energy and
maybe, do you have some kind of way that you empty the energy, the sacral
energy, like at the end of the day?

Uma:

Lot of walks.

Rebecca:

Okay. That's how you-

Uma:

I go out for walks. And when I do group programs, I don't have to meet them
every day. So being a second line, the unconscious line is the line 2. I
also need spaciousness. I need my Hermit done. I need time to create, to
read, to rest, to recharge. And so for all those reasons, really paying
attention to my personality profile, I only design... I designed my
business in a way that supports me, instead of it being all about, I have
to make X amount of dollars. My eye is never on the dollar sign, about how
much I'm making. I just trust that the universe, knowing my gifts and
knowing who I came here to be with seven open centers will bring me what I
need, for the expansion of my soul and the expansion of my lifestyle in the
perfect ways. So I have to work with that trust. Yeah.

Rebecca:

That's amazing. Yeah, so you lean more into the trust and the faith, that
you're just going to be and be the line six, right? The 6/2. You're here to
be. It's more being the role model, not doing the role model.

Uma:

Exactly.

Rebecca:

Can you be in the being, rather than doing energy, right? It's like to show
us here's the way, right? Here's the way to be, so-

Uma:

That's why when I'm on Instagram doing a live or in stories, I'll often
share what my day looks like. I'll do a live if I'm the market square,
having lunch with a friend, because I take a lot of time just for me. I'm
not working... I don't work more than three hours a day.

Rebecca:

That's amazing. That is so amazing. It's so different than like the
generator, manifesting generator world too though. Yeah, I can work a lot,
but also I have to be aware of what things are really lighting me up and
what should I be working on versus just working on a bunch of stuff because
that's where I tend to be busy, busy, busy. I have a busy energy. And so I
crave that downtime too and that just relaxed, like, okay, patience and
surrender is difficult yet. If you look at your mercury placements in your
chart, mine are named patients and surrender. And I'm here to tell people
about patience and surrender and I have the hardest time myself with that.
So you sound like you're just kind of living into that patience and
surrender energy. I'm a projector. I'm here to just surrender to being a
projector. It's so amazing. I love that. I love that.

Uma:

And I'm in the third phase of my sixth line, so I have nowhere else to go.
I've come off the roof, I've done my learning. And I'm just here to share
who I am, as a role model. So if I don't embody these qualities and if I
don't practice them and bring them into my own personal life, what am I
going to do? What's my tombstone going to say?

Rebecca:

No, I think that's great. When I think of you, I think of this really calm,
just peaceful, knowing what you're here to do energy. It's just amazing.
Really. It's just so peaceful. I love that. Peaceful. Let's be around Uma's
energy for a while because we can just feel really peaceful and I'm not
like buzzing right with my like, oh my gosh, I have so much to do. And the
busy energy I have, it's like... So this is so great. Thank you Uma for
coming on today. I feel like we could talk for another hour and I can't
believe that our time is about up today. So if somebody wants to learn more
about the programs you talked about, would the best place be... Well just
tell us where the best places is to go.

Uma:

The best places... Firstly, my website, which is first name, last name,
umagirish.com. And then I'm also very active on Instagram. I go by
Umamentor, that's my IG handle. And I'm also on Facebook. It's
facebook.com, Uma Writes.

Rebecca:

Uma Writes. W-R-I-T-E-S. Okay. I can put those. I'll put the links in the
show notes to those so that people can find you and be around the Uma
projector energy. If you're looking for some calm in your life, go see Uma.
So thank you so much for being on today, Uma. This was really fun.

Uma:

Thank you for inviting me. This was fun for me too.

Rebecca:

All right, bye.

Rebecca:

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