Religious Conditioning with Kelly Hogg

Rebecca:

Before we dive into today's episode. I just wanted to give you an update
about some retreats that I am thinking of holding. I am so excited about
getting back to having retreats, and it's just like been a part of my life
that feels like it's been missing since we started with this whole pandemic
situation. So one thing that I really responded to, if you know anything
about me, I'm a manifesting generator. I've been trying to live into my
response, and just not try to push. And part of the message that I'm here
to communicate to the world is about patience, and surrender. And funnily
enough, the patience, and surrender are the hardest things for me to live
into myself. So, surrendering for me means surrendering to responding,
which is the human design strategy for manifesting generators. And so one
thing that I really responded to was when I posted a few weeks ago, as of
the recording of this message, I posted on my Facebook that I had been
living at the beach this summer.

Rebecca:

I had been doing a lot of beach time and I had been doing it all by myself,
mostly by myself, because at the stage that I'm at, I don't have kids
anymore that are at home. I do have a daughter that is home, but she's 18
now. And she has her own life going on and she doesn't want to come with me
all the time. And my husband is way more interested in golf than the beach.
And I tend to have friends that are either really involved with family
that's getting married and they have grandchildren and all of those kind of
things. Or I have friends who are really involved on the other side, where
they have a lot of kids at home, or at least they have some kids at home.
And it's been just an interesting summer for me being in the middle.

Rebecca:

So, I don't know if any of you feel like you're in the middle, but I'm in
the middle. I don't have grandchildren. I don't have any married children.
I don't even have any weddings to plan at this point. And so it's very
strange and I feel like what's next. Like, family-wise, I don't feel like
there's a lot to focus on. Like my kids, at this point, it doesn't feel
like they really need me so much, right? They don't need me as much. My
daughter's taking a gap year. I think she's trying to figure some things
out. I don't even need to go move her to college this year. It's just a
very interesting year. It's been an interesting time for me to reflect what
does it look like when I now have this extra time to myself, and this extra
time to focus on myself and the extra time to focus on my health and my
business.

Rebecca:

And I don't have the distraction of kids. And sometimes actually I like
that excuse of, "Oh, I can't really focus on my health or I can't focus on
my business because my kids need me", like there's stuff going on. I need
to, whatever the school stuff was, whatever it was, right? I always felt
like that was a great excuse. Anyways, so I've been spending time at the
beach by myself because I'm in this middle place and I've been
contemplating what this next phase looks like. And so I was talking on
Facebook about this beach alone time and how beautiful this stretch of
beaches in Marquette, Michigan, and one of my clients posted under there.
She said, maybe you should invite other people to come up there with you
and have a retreat and share your space of sand. And I responded in such a
great way to that, that this is my first, I'm voicing it first here that I
am going to be doing a retreat in 2022 in Marquette, Michigan.

Rebecca:

I used to think that holding retreats in the summer, nobody was going to
come to those because everybody's busy with their family. But what I wasn't
remembering is most of my clients are in the stage of life I am in. And I
am now fully in that stage of life where I don't have kids to go on
vacation with, family to go on vacation within the summer. I mean, yeah, I
will, but it's not like I need to focus so much on it's the kids' summer
vacation. And this is my vacation before school starts, because this is
another weird thing, school when it starts, it doesn't affect me this year.
I think that is super strange. So, anyways, what I want to say is I am
excited. I've started exploring the places, the rentals, that could be
here. My idea of having a summer beach retreat is to have a fun space for
women to come together where we all stay in one place, and we have beach
time, fireside chat time, hiking time, art time, journaling time.

Rebecca:

And I'm just starting the ideas for this. So it's going to be super fun.
Marquette is a beautiful place to come in the summer. I am super excited to
tell you about that as it comes together. So let's get started on today's
episode. Welcome to Beautifully Bloomed the podcast where we explore how to
break you out of the box of rules and beliefs that are holding you back
from the life you're meant to live. I'm your host, Rebecca Tervo. Join me
as I share mindset tools, coaching conversations, and human design, to help
you uncover your unique gifts and create the life relationships and
business you desire. So, today I have Kelly Hogue as my guest. And before I
tell you who Kelly is, I just want to say the gene keys is something that
I've studied in conjunction with human design. I found the gene keys after
I found human design.

Rebecca:

It's sort of another rabbit hole to go down the gene keys show you some
interesting things, and I'm going to let Kelly explain some of that stuff
in our conversation today, but that's why I was drawn to having her on
because I do use the gene keys in my work with my clients. And I use the
gene keys in the teachings that I do about how to use human design with
your business. The gene keys is always in the background for me because I
understand that there's a deeper layer there that helps. So today I want to
introduce you to Kelly Hogue, who she helps women connect to their own
inner voice. She's someone who has wrestled with Christianity and all the
conditioning that comes with it. She helps women rebuild their foundation
from the inner voice level. She's a certified life coach and an inner voice
facilitator who is trauma informed. She helps her clients with
deconditioning, healing past trauma and creating a life built on
self-trust. So, let's listen in to my conversation with Kelly Hogue. Hi
Kelly. Thanks so much for joining me today.

Kelly:

Thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.

Rebecca:

Yeah. So, I'm curious if you could tell us, how did you first find out
about me? Because I think that the first time I met you was when you came
to one of my sessions.

Kelly:

Yes. So, I, what was it? I had already started learning about human design
and then the fact that you were a life coach and we went to the life coach
school together, and then you also knew about human design. And I had
already kind of gone down the rabbit hole. And so I was like, maybe she
would be perfect to how can I integrate human design coaching, everything
that I'm interested in.

Rebecca:

Yeah. It was super fun.

Kelly:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

It was super fun because of course I had really so many sessions after
that. And then your name came up again with another coach that we were both
are involved with. Sarah Trapkus was telling me, "Hey, let's have Kelly
Hogue talk about gene keys." Well, then I was like, "I didn't know, Kelly
Hogue does gene keys?" Like I had no idea, so, oh, this is going to be so
fun. So today I thought it would be super fun. You and I got on the phone
and talked about a lot of things. We talk about religion and gene keys and
human designs. So I'm like, this is just a mishmash of all of that.

Rebecca:

And I just, I'm curious in all of your experiences about religion, right?
Because we brought that to the forefront and also, and I think there's some
shared things between us there. And then I'm curious about the gene keys
and like how do you bring that to your clients, that kind of stuff. So I
don't know. Where do you want to start with that? That's a lot of stuff.
We'll just tell us what you do first. I'm curious, like what [crosstalk
00:08:33].

Kelly:

Yeah, so I'll tell you what I do first. So real quick. My last name is
Hogue, even though it looks like hog, but [crosstalk 00:08:40].

Rebecca:

Sorry.

Kelly:

...clarify.

Rebecca:

I probably have heard you say that before. And I just [crosstalk 00:08:45]

Kelly:

...client. I help Christian women live from their inner voice. So what I do
is in Christianity, a lot of times we're always looking out, we're always
looking outwards and we learn to, and I don't think it's intentional, but
we learn to kind of not trust ourselves, and not really listen to our own
inner knowing. And in Christianity they would maybe call it the holy ghost
or the spirit. And I love the word inner voice because that's how I
experience it. I experienced it as an inner voice. So I help all of my
clients connect to their inner voice, start learning to build that
foundation of self-trust. And we go through everything. We go through
religious deconditioning, really restarting and rebuilding their foundation
from the inner voice level, which kind of takes away all the distractions
of culture, policy, man-made rules, and really helps you own your
experience.

Rebecca:

Yeah. I like when you said religious deconditioning, because at least in
the religion I grew up in, it feels like you're just told you should... I
feel like there's a culture and I'm not sure everybody believes this. I
just want to say that. The culture I grew up in, I took this to be my
perspective of like, "Oh, if we start thinking for ourself and there's some
kind of questioning or wondering about why this thing is like that, and I
don't want to do that, I don't want to believe that." Then we're told like,
"Well, that's just that's the devil, or maybe you should pray harder or
listen more in on the sermons or come around us more often" right? It's
like, it's almost not taught that you should really go with it and find out
what you think. Do you agree?

Kelly:

There is so much fear, shame and guilt in religion, and it's not coming
from God, it's just manmade cultural rules that really... It's like, we try
to overcompensate with rules because we're afraid, and I think that's where
Christianity and I would still consider myself Christian, but that's where
I feel like we've missed the mark of really trusting ourselves, really
believing that we're inherently good and that we're inherently seeking
light and we're seeking knowledge and truth. And kind of when you change
that perspective, verse what sometimes we're told that we're naturally
sinful, naturally evil, naturally, like we can't trust ourselves and we
can't trust our desires. It's just frankly not true.

Rebecca:

Right? Yeah. Yeah, not trusting ourselves. I mean, we're taught, I feel
like in a big way, it's like, "Well, that might be the devil talking to
you." Don't trust anything that your inner voice is saying because who
knows, probably not even your voice. [crosstalk 00:11:56].

Kelly:

That brings up a lot. And so a lot of my clients are coming from very rigid
Christian backgrounds and they're like, they're so interested in learning
how to hear from God, how to hear from themselves to be able to trust
themselves. But there is so much fear there. And the first step is really
recognizing your head voice and your inner voice and seeing the difference.
And so in my sessions, I help my clients discern the difference between,
"Okay, this is your ego, your head voice, and then your inner voice and how
they sound completely different and how one lives in fear, and judgment,
and scarcity, and is always looking for trying to help you survive, trying
to protect you. And the other one is your inner voice is coming from
abundance, love, wisdom, knowledge, peace, and when you experience the
difference, a spiritual awakening starts to occur."

Rebecca:

That's amazing because I still think about, oh, I had so much when you just
said that I had so many thoughts, like, Oh, when I tell you all of the
things.

Kelly:

Tell me all the things.

Rebecca:

There's so many things. So, I was listening to a podcast this morning, of
course, I'm always listening to like these cult podcasts, and this one was
called What's Religion Versus Cult. It was a super fascinating discussion.
But one of the things I think the person who had the podcast in there said
was, "If we believe that God made us right, God created us. Why would God
create you the way you are, where you have your own ideas? And when you
have your own thoughts and where you really are taught to like, look at
things from different directions, and question things and have..." And
human design shows us that that's where our head center is, it's
questioning.

Rebecca:

It's all about questioning. Why, what, where, who, right? But when we're
taught that we shouldn't question, we should just go along with this thing.
Why would God create you? Why would God create your brain the way it is?
Why would God create your energy the way it is, where it's like, you can
just have a feeling, you know how we have this feeling. If we're in touch
with ourselves, when we know something isn't for us, why would God create
you that way if you're just supposed to follow along with some kind of
right belief system.

Kelly:

Yeah. Somewhere along the line in Christianity, we've gotten into this box,
this one size cookie cutter, one size fits all box and it's become, instead
of maybe a guideline it's become legal, it's become rule. It's become, this
is the way. And that's just what happens when you get a group of humans
together, there's an ego that is formed. When you have a group of people
who believe a certain, we see it in politics. We see it in religion. We see
it in any sort of group that comes together for a certain purpose rules
will start to form and hierarchy will start to form. And it's just all part
of the human experience.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And acceptable behavior. I feel like, especially in religions, right?
It's like, "Well, here's what's acceptable. And here's what's not." Even if
it's not, if they say there's no written rules, you can feel what the rules
really are. If you're in the group, and if you don't do something in
accordance with that, how there's so much judgment and shame. And I feel
like that's the part where they're trying to keep you in the group. That
shame and judgment is about keeping you in the group. It's like, I've just
thought so much about this for so long. It's just like, I don't know, how
can we have, and I've like, I love community. I want to have community. how
can we have a community where all the individuals are acceptable, and I
don't know, like that's such a fascinating thought.

Kelly:

I love this topic. And it's something that I also think about all the time.
And it really comes down to trusting your own inner authority. And then
also when you trust your own inner authority, you give that room for other
people to trust theirs. And that's what we're missing. That's what we're
missing in Christianity, is trusting our own inner authority, trusting our
own inner voice, and stop comparing. When we live in the mind [inaudible
00:16:29] ...our mind is constantly comparing to say like, what is my
neighbor doing? What is this person doing? How are they able to do this and
still feel culturally accepted? And we're always looking for the how.

Rebecca:

Well, yeah. For sure. I mean, I think that it creates a culture of
judgment. Religion creates a culture of judgment because you know what's
acceptable. And then you're looking at these people going, "Wait a minute,
they're doing this", right? We start to just automatically start judging
everybody. That's just how it is, right? And it's super fascinating. It
doesn't feel good ever to Judge [crosstalk 00:17:06].

Kelly:

...know it doesn't feel good. We may not have the tools or the awareness,
or the establishment of our own inner authority, our own inner [crosstalk
00:17:16] those changes. So that's what a lot of the work I do is really
sharing and teaching and advocating for your own inner authority.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And when you feel confident, I have this thought too, sometimes that
I feel like a lot of the people who are in there judging, they're just not
confident in who they are either. Like they aren't listening to their
authority. It's much easier to go outside and look at what everyone else is
doing wrong than to really tune into yourself and think, "Okay, well, how
do I want to live?" I want to feel confident and acceptable to myself
first. Like how can you accept yourself first? You can't accept other
people, you haven't accepted yourself. So, I dream of this place, right?

Rebecca:

This community, because that's the favorite part for me of religion was the
community, and like there's community. And I like some of the traditions,
right. Where I think it just goes off the rails sometimes in making us feel
so guilty for thinking for ourselves or even having questions about, well,
I'm not sure that that's true for me, at least not true for me. Right? And
then it's just like, "Well, I don't think, are you sure you even go to
church anymore?" And then people start questioning are you even Christian?
Do you believe in God? Like all the stuff, right? And that's where the fear
is.

Kelly:

And I think we don't even leave room for that question. And I think if we
left room for that question, where is this true for you? Or is it true for
me? And can they be different? We don't need room for that at all. It's the
one size, this is the way we do it. This is the way we've always done it.
But I also think though the key to the world you're speaking of is really
just having awareness of the ego, awareness of your mind. And I think if in
religion, you're able to become more aware of when our ego is activated,
and running our lives so much would shift, but right now in Christianity,
in other religions, it's like we don't even realize that the thoughts in
our head are not even us. That's not the core of who we are. That's just
our perception, our lived experience, trauma, all the things.

Rebecca:

A lot of conditioning. [crosstalk 00:19:38] Yeah. Yeah. So when you feel
this, right, both of us teach about like feeling into what, and what's
right for you. Who are you, what's right for you when you feel into that,
and it feels good to you yet you have the thought, "Oh, but I should. Oh, I
should, or I was taught, or so-and-so's not going to like this." Right? All
of those, that's where the conditioning field is. And you form your
behaviors in order to belong to something. I mean, that's how we're taught
as children, our parents, it's great. And I think everybody has their best
intention about guiding you and whatnot. But I feel like we get off the
path of knowing what's right for us, because now we're just so used to,
well, to be in this group, we have to follow these behaviors. So that's
that conditioning part. And that's where our brain comes in and tells us,
"No, this is wrong", because we're just conditioned to believe it's wrong.

Kelly:

Right. And it's over time we've learned to betray ourselves, it built
betrayal at its core. And that's what we're unlearning. That's what we're
deconditioning from is that self betrayal to then self trust.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And I heard Karen Curry Parker said, she says it over, and over
again, that trauma is really, I mean, this is not big trauma. This is, I
don't know what she calls it. Tiny trauma, whatever, little T trauma?
[crosstalk 00:21:03] Little T trauma. Yeah. It's more it's about like you
not being able to be fully yourself. Like that's traumatic. That's where
pain comes from. Is you trying not to be yourself? Like you like ignoring
who you truly are. And it's just [crosstalk 00:21:19]

Kelly:

...when we deny parts of ourselves, [crosstalk 00:21:22] little T trauma
over time.

Rebecca:

Yeah, and it causes all kinds of other problems then, right? Like health
issues, a lot of health issues I think are just caused because we're
ignore, we're not living out who we truly are here to be, and that's a
whole nother rabbit hole. But as we were talking about this, so how do you
use the gene keys in your work? Or what is the gene keys? Like what do you
look at the gene keys as like, what are they about?

Kelly:

So, I use the gene keys as almost parameters or guidelines for my own
personal alignment. I can see different areas of my life, where the gene
keys comes into play. I can see my shadow frequency patterns, and I can
even feel them. So I use it as I live my life. I then whenever I'm in any
sort of place where I'm looking for clarity, I will consult my inner voice
first. And then after the inner voice, I will go to the gene keys to help
provide language for what I'm experiencing in my life. So I use it as a
tool for language to show what I'm experiencing, but also to help me stay
in alignment.

Rebecca:

Yeah. I love the fact that gene keys provides even like, it shows you the
shadow sides, but it shows you that gift side of like here's language. I
mean, it feels so good sometimes to read that gift part like, ooh, like
this is, if I was in a higher state of this gift, I would be feeling this,
or higher state of this gate, let's say, I don't know what, this is the
gene keys call it. Placements, skates, [inaudible 00:23:03] gene keys.
Yeah. They call it the gene keys. But to me in human design, it's the
gates. So the gates are equal to the gene keys, whatever. Right. Because I
found it so fascinating that in the gene keys, my Pearl is 32, which the
shadow is fundamentalism. I was like, "Oh, that's interesting." Right? I
could totally see that's where it just really the gene keys, I think give
you this awareness of here might be some reasons that you're not feeling
fulfilled or you're not feeling in alignment or you're not, right? When you
have the fundamentalist one narrow minded, like this is the way it is,
there's no going outside of that, right?

Kelly:

It kind of shows your pattern of behavior, but because for example, because
you experienced the fundamentalist side of it, you also experienced the
gift side. So, it's like, because you experienced that lower frequency, you
have the ability to tap into that gift.[crosstalk 00:24:04] And instead of
seeing it as like, "Oh man, why am I like that?" It's like, "No, it's
perfect that you're like that because on the other side of it, once you can
embrace, and accept, and move through it, the gift is on the other side."
And it's just so beautiful. And it helps take away the shame, guilt and
fear. And that there's a purpose. There's a purpose in the plan.

Rebecca:

Yeah. I find that with human design too. So, we can, I mean, gene keys for
my listeners who know about human design and not gene keys, like gene keys
take the gates and Richard Rudd has come up with like this beautiful
flowery language. In some cases, I'm like, "What does that word mean?" It's
like, it can be really deep, right? But it's like a place to contemplate
how you're moving through your life in like relationships and in like the
work you're here to do, right? Levinas sequences about relationships. Yeah.
All of that fun, like "Where's your core wound?"

Rebecca:

And it's just super fascinating journey. And I just think, yeah, it's a
great tool. It's a great tool to learn about and to teach. And I just do
human design stuff, but some, okay, usually I dip into the gene keys with
my clients because some of them are way more curious than others. Like we
go down that rabbit hole. But yeah, I think, so how have you used the gene
keys at all with your clients for religious things, or like for those that
are coming out of this, whatever, their religious trauma, how have you used
it for that?

Kelly:

Yeah, so [crosstalk 00:25:42] I introduce the gene keys to pretty much
everyone I talk to, but it really is just such great awareness of like who
you are, or where you're going. Learning to trust yourself. Learning, like
most people, when I go through their profile for the gene keys, there's an
inner knowing. It's almost like, oh, I knew that about myself. Just like
human design. It's like your same language for what you already have lived
in experience. And you've seen [crosstalk 00:26:15] you've seen the shadow,
you've seen the gift in your life. And then it really just brings more
awareness to where in your life does it apply? With my clients, it's helps
build that self-trust. It just confirms what they're already experiencing.

Rebecca:

Yeah. It's like a reminder of who you are, because I think so many of us,
we get off the path of we're just doing all the rules of life, right? Well,
this is the way life is... This is the way we've learned to be successful.
Or this is the way that so-and-so does it, or this is the way we were
taught. And we're so far off the path of who we truly are, so to come back
to that language of saying, oh, like when I first found out about the gene
keys and all the shadows, I read through all the shadows of my gene keys
and it was super fascinating. I'm like, "Oh yeah, I can see all of these
behaviors." All of them.

Rebecca:

But then it was also amazing to look at the other side of it like, "Oh, and
what if I lived into the gift of this?" Like, this is something I'm here to
experience also, and to show others, right? This is also a gift I have to
help other people with whatever that particular thing is. So I just loved
the gene keys for that. That's cool. Thank you for talking about that.
Yeah. So I, and the last thing I wanted to tie in here is you are a
projector, right, in human design. So you're a projector I'm curious to
know, have you gotten that balance that we say for projectors of work and
rest, or have you figured out a way to make your business work around this
projectorness of the...?

Kelly:

It is challenging for me, but it all, everything in my life comes back to
self-trust. I have to trust myself, I have to lean into what I'm feeling. I
have to trust that the things that are meant for me are always coming to
me. And when in my business, especially, there have been times where I may
hit an emotional wall and my inner voice is tells me to rest and I need to
rest. And so if you're into Enneagram at all, I am a three.

Rebecca:

No, I'm actually don't know much about Enneagram. I should go check it out,
because everybody asks that question. Do you know anything about Enneagram?

Kelly:

Basically I'm a high achiever. In human design, I have ambition, drive,
like the main gates. So, it is very hard for me to rest. And then as a
projector, we're highly conditioned to keep up with the rest of the world,
and to reform, and the hustle, and we can hustle, and grind with the best
of them. But It's so depleting to our spirits, like our spirit needs that
rest, that inward dive I'm a one-three. So, research is so important for me
to have time to study and to get lost in my study. And so it really comes
down to, I trust myself, and I trust what I'm feeling. And it's taken a
while to learn that skill. And it's something that I'm always practicing
where I may feel that, "Oh, I can't do that. I can't take a break. I can't
rest."

Kelly:

But then I notice and the three, I experiment [crosstalk 00:29:37] good
things happen when I rest. And yes, every single time I listened to my body
and listen to my inner authority, "Hey, it's time to rest." I'll get
invited. The next person, my next client will come in and that's really
like the experimenting and the trust. It just continues. And that it
continues to affirm my strategy, and authority in human design and continue
to affirm like, "Oh, I am a projector. I am here to guide people, but not
in the way that the world would tell me hustle and hustle and hustle."

Rebecca:

Yeah. And [crosstalk 00:30:19].

Kelly:

...Because I'm a projector, people are drawn to me.

Rebecca:

Yes. It's interesting about projectors is that I've learned when projectors
are around generator types, they can even work harder than the generators.
Right. Because they are taking the power of the sacral and amplifying it
and they're like, "Woo!" Right? And they feel, but that's can be depleting.
Right. So, when I learned about protectors and I was thinking about the
people I know who are projectors, I was like, wait a minute. They seem like
really hard, right? But some of my clients or projectors have come to me,
totally burned out, right? So it's interesting. And I feel like that's,
that's the challenge of being a projector, living in a generator type
society, right. Generator, world type of thing. It's just like, can we all
trust when we need to rest? Even me as a manifesting generator, I take
rests.

Rebecca:

Like I need to rest too. I need to like really feel, when is it time I can
burn myself out just as well. And all of us can, it doesn't matter what our
type is. There's different ways we can burn ourselves out depending on
what's in our chart. But yeah. So, just listening, I love that we're
bringing this full circle, listening to our inner voice, which is what you
were talking about at the beginning. It's like, can we trust ourselves to
know that? And can we trust in the abundance of life? And that just because
we are in a down cycle of rest or restoration, for instance, that things
will still come in that were prosperous and abundant, regardless of whether
we're working really, really hard hustling, right. The hustle culture, it's
not for, I don't think the hustle culture is good for anybody truthfully,
but yeah, we don't trust. It's a big part of both your work and my work,
right? It's helping people trust. It's hard [crosstalk 00:32:08].

Kelly:

...also for the gene keys, and human design. There's also a strategic
component to structuring my business as a projector. I structure my
business in a way that is in alignment with my human design and my gene
keys. And so there's strategy, there. There's strategy to where I'm like, I
may take a certain amount of clients, and then I may go into a study
period. So it's like knowing that knows it helps me structure my business
to where I get burned out.

Rebecca:

Yeah. That's awesome. I know. And you're aligned one and a projector. I'm
aligned one too. Right? I have a one floor, but so I know the line one, the
curiosity and the need to go deep and the need to build the foundation of
information. It's very important. That's part of our purpose here as line
ones, but also the projectors. They're just naturally learners too, because
they're here to guide the work, right? So they're always learning and so
they can guide. So, yeah, it's just a beautiful combination. Really. This
line one projectors. They're awesome. So, if anybody wanted to find out
more about what you do or where do they... Where can they find you? Just
tell us that. [crosstalk 00:33:22]

Kelly:

...find me on Instagram at Kelly Hogue Coaching. I am going through a
transition process right now where I'm actually going to be launching
another iteration of my business with two other amazing coaches with their
own unique specialties. But I [crosstalk 00:33:39] ...clients for gene keys
or for inner voice or religious deconditioning, self-trust all of that. So
you can find me on Kelly Hogue Coaching on Instagram or on Facebook.

Rebecca:

Also, I'm curious about this new iteration. So you're going to talk about
it on Instagram?

Kelly:

Yes, basically, we will make an announcement. It's very exciting. It's all
being led by my inner voice. And it's just been incredible to see this
business form, and partners come into my life. And I'm using my strategy,
and authority. Like they've come into my life through invitation. It's
[crosstalk 00:34:16] It would blow, it blows my mind.

Rebecca:

Yes. That's awesome. What if we just could live? I always say this, like
what if you just surrendered to your strategy and your authority? Life
would be a lot easier, but we don't do that. Cause then our head comes in,
blah, blah, blah.

Kelly:

The unknown, but then there's the trust. [inaudible 00:34:36] ...know the
day to day, but everything that is meant for you is coming for you
[crosstalk 00:34:41]

Rebecca:

I know. Yes. And I have had periods of time where you live in trust for a
while and it's like, "Oh, this is amazing." And something boots you out of
there, you're out of alignment again. And then you're over there with your
ego and your head and all that. And then you're like, wait a minute. When
did I? It's almost, it's so sneaky. Right? Sneakily, you get up out of
alignment again. So it's a constant like process of deconditioning and
bring yourself back in and it can be fun too, in a way, like it's an
adventure. I look at it as an adventure. I'm like, none of it is wrong.
Nothing's wrong. We're just experiencing some things. So, thank you so much
Kelly for coming, this was super fun.

Kelly:

I loved it. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me.

Rebecca:

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