Sarah Trapkus is a life coach, spiritual guide and teacher. In this episode we talk about having a business that is a reflection of who we are instead of a carbon copy of someone else's business.

By listening to this episode, you'll learn:

  • Why events and retreats are so powerful
  • How Sarah made the shift to align her business with who she is
  • How being a Manifestor Human Design type has served Sarah in her life and business

Find out about your human design here: https://rebeccatervo.com/design

Get in touch with Sarah Trapkus here: https://theradicalmind.com

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Welcome, Sarah. I'm so excited to have you in the launch of my podcast. Thank you so much for being here. I am honored to be here with you and the launch of your podcast. Congrats. Thank you excited. Yeah, it's something I've always wanted to do. And so yes, I wanted to have you on because you and I met. We met at a retreat actually. Right. That was the first time I think I don't think we had met at an event before that. So it was last October in Oregon, or was it November? It was first weekend? Yeah, well, it was November, I would say October. But we met through our coach kaaren we were at her retreat. And there was something about us, right? We like had a little connection. I love when that happens.

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I know. Yes. And you and I have kind of been in the same I feel like the same road this year with our businesses where we thought it had to be a certain way. We tried to do it the Certain Way We thought it had to be right. Yes. And I think that's what attracted us to each other. And I feel like all of a sudden, we're in a lot of the same programs, which is funny.

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We're having a very much parallel experience. I just goosebumps just waved all down my body when you said like the truth of us both kind of being on the same path of figuring out how to create how to step into how to how to be in a business, that's totally a reflection of us and doesn't isn't a carbon copy of anything else. And I 100% agree that when we met a year ago, a little over a year ago, that we were both like, kind of backed into a corner like we had backed ourselves into a corner and we were ready to get out. But it was like

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it was scary, though. I felt scared. Like why can't really do it a different way. So this is what we're we were trying to make it work, right. That's trying thing that doesn't work. No, but we were trying really hard. Really hard.

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And I remember now like thinking back to the last year, like what a year it's been. And just I feel like I started taking steps out and feeling that courage and and opening up to like this greater space of where I get to be like I get to occupy this space, I get to figure this out and like looking over and you are there too. And like we would see each other like in different programs, or I would see you post something on social media. And I was like, Oh my god, I feel like we are have stayed aligned, since the moment we met when things kind of started. crumbling.

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Right. Yeah.

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The old way old way started crumbling at that retreat.

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Yeah, wait today. Okay, hopefully that came on the recording because I think I lost you for a second. But like solar, so the old way that we thought things had to be done was like, it started coming apart, which felt to me really scary. And I think you were there kind of I felt the support, you know, of you and others around us. Like it's okay, if it's all falling apart. You know? Because it gets to be different. Now. I love Laura hustlin. Right says that all the time, it gets to be different now. And like,

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you know, witnessing you on the retreat was really powerful because I saw

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you I mean, this is like, I'm not even going to compare my experience with yours because I do feel like they're quite different, but you embodied like, I saw you. So in the space of such familiarity that you had been in your whole life like that was just it cracked and you and you were really evaluating it Looking at not just your like it affected your was like Who am I like these deep questions that I think, of course you have been pondering? I don't even know if that's the right word since Trevor's death.

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Yes,

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they really like it really. I was I was an honor to witness you break out of this shell and then watch you find yourself. Yeah, find your unique imprint, find your Yeah, find your power step into it and

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then like, help other people do it. It's just

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been phenomenal.

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I know. Thank you. That was Yeah. And this whole, I feel like having a space where people come to, like, hold that space. So you can do that. So I love that's what I love about retreats. So, like we were at a retreat when that was happening. And for me, the emotion of it all comes out. You guys saw, right? I'm so emotional. But it's like, I just need that. That security, sometimes that's what retreats I feel like provide security. And I have to talk about retreats. Right? Because I love retreats. But they talk. Yeah, yes, let's talk about them. Because Sara and I are planning on doing a retreat together. That's super fun. Um, but yeah, like that container that people hold for you to come in and just be seen and Be Heard like, that is really powerful. And you can do some of that yourself or try to do it yourself. It's just not the same. Like, for some reason I when I go to that place, and I can really shift things in that kind of container, and let it all hang out. So to say it right, just let it all hang out. Like there's no judgment about it. But I find that in my personal life, if I try to do that work myself I get. There's a lot of things that hold you back, right in your own in your own your surroundings, your familiar surroundings. It's a difference.

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Yeah. Well, when you're in your familiar surroundings, that in itself has a has an intention. Right? Yeah, it has an energetic blueprint that doesn't necessarily have a capacity for other aspects of work or other other ways of being or healing. And that's totally okay. I think that's why events are so powerful because they have intention behind them.

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Yeah. It's exactly

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what when people come together, and come together to participate in an event and the event is being held by the people who hold that intention, hold that container. That's where powerful transformation can happen. So I think that's the power of retreats. And that's what I mean, as a wedding. I was a wedding planner for eight years. And that's what I loved about it is that I got to hold space for this amazing transition done under the intention of love. And coming together and connection and witnessing. And yeah, you and you can't. It's not that you can't do it alone. It's

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just that you don't have to. Yes, you don't have to. Yeah, it's easier. I feel like it's I mean, it's not easy ever, but it's like easier to have that space, and have those people who are also doing their own work and who understand what it's like to do that. Right. And so yes, I love that. And I love that we were part of that experience. I feel like there's some others in that group that also, we're kind of at the same space we are. And we've kind of been like, this whole year kind of going along, like, Hey, guys, this isn't working for me anymore. And I'm going to do this other thing. And I don't know, it's just been really wonderful to see us all evolving. Right? Agreed. Yeah. Yeah. So for you, I kind of want to talk about how you, I feel like you made a couple shifts in last year in your coaching practice, like, you know, right. Like, it's, it feels like it shifted.

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Oh, my God.

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Like you used to do something different. And all of a sudden, it's just like, opened up to this whole new thing. Like, what's that about? Yeah, yeah.

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What is that about?

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Yeah.

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Why did it happen? or Why did it happen? What was happening before what I want to say, which I feel is really important to say is that the way I was doing it before that didn't work, quote, unquote, it wasn't working. Yeah. Because I was trying to make it work. I had to go through that to, to notice and to step into this, which is, it's just who I am at home, I feel like I'm home. I'm finally able to do the work that I'm here to do. in this lifetime, in this way. And so what happened this year? I mean, it's so funny because I look back on all the clients, all the kinds of people that have been attracted to me from when I officially started my coaching practice, which was around three and a half, four years ago to today, they're actually the same. It's the same person, I'm who I am in it. And the work that I'm doing is very different.

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And so

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I had to, I went through a journey of really noticing what wasn't in alignment for me, and making powerful decisions to no longer like, negotiate that, like, I'm no longer available to build my business, like walk along this path of entrepreneurship of being a healer, I think, yeah, I'm a healer. Yeah, I'm no longer willing to do it in a way that isn't in alignment with who I am. And I just had to have like, like a, like a talk with myself. And then I had to just let go. And notice all the ways I was efforting. And trying and like reaching for some experts framework to fit into this, for me totally work for other people. For me, it doesn't work. And when we look at human design, we know why.

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Yes, exactly.

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Oh, and so I just had to lean in on the one thing that I knew that I hadn't been that I wasn't trusting that I that I kind of, you know, push cast aside like, well, no one's talking about this. So it might not be important. And that was my intuition. And that was my inner knowing that was my inner guidance system. And that was a way of being in a way of relating, that is my superpower. And so I just, you know, I just decided, like, I'm, I'm no longer available to, would do it in this way. Because, and we could say it was working. Like, like, on paper, it was working. I was I was helping people. I had clients, I was making money. But energetically, something was off and it didn't feel right. And so I'm, like I've said this before, just because it's working doesn't mean it's right. And so I just had to let go and allow myself to fall back and then and look and allow my body to show me what's the next perfect step. And that led me and you were there. I saw you like we joined the same program with Laura has said

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yes, that's so funny.

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We go watch this transformation. I mean, as life coaches trained at a school, which teaches us how our thoughts create our reality, we know mine. Yeah, this is like another angle that I think really, especially with Laura at the at the helm, just giving us permission to to use our intuition and to use our bodies and to trust in something greater than ourselves and bring that along with us. And that was the that was like, I woke up to my truth. I my intuition. All of a sudden, it went from being this thing that I kind of cast aside is like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But mindset and this framework and this way of doing it, and it just wholly flopped. Like it, it flipped. Yeah. Now it's intuition. First, always non negotiable in that. Now I know it's like intuition is language of spirit. I work with spirit. I work in the spirit world, I work in the realms that are unseen. I have an eye in these areas. Like that's what I've always done. And I'm and I've recommitted in a bigger way to that work, and I had to disconnect from it. to notice what it was like to not have it.

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Yeah, it's interesting because I was thinking as you were talking about that, like for me to the logical, the LOD, the logic, I should say about those tools we learned in our training as life coaches. For me that felt so comfortable, you know, it's like use my mind, use my mind use me I like I was a CPA, I always using my brain, like use my brain use my brain. And that felt comfortable. But it's interesting how you said to it's like, you have to reconnect to your body. That was really hard for me. Like I'm so up in my brain all the time. And I had this hard thing about connecting with my body. So that is the thing about Laura Huston's program and when I learned about human design and how like it teaches you specific The big ways that you are designed to connect with your body, right, and there's specific paths to follow for each of us. And that was like, first logically to learn it, but then to actually do it with something totally different. Like to feel it to get into the body is. It's just it is life changing, though, right? It's really, I mean, even I was helping people with their mindset stuff. Totally cool. Once you that can be life changing, right? Like, let's learn how to manage our thought, you know, but this deeper layer, like you said, it's just so amazing. Like, what if you can teach people not only how to manage their mind, but how to really be in touch with their? Yeah, their inner Guide, which is

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so amazing. Yeah. For me, I, I've always had since I was since I was able to, since it came to me, and I saw it in books and read it like we are spiritual beings in human form. I believe that like, I, that's my truth, I love that idea. And so knowing how to manage my mind and understand how my thoughts create my reality, it explained my human experience so beautifully. And it gave me the tools to then step into my power as a human. Which I needed.

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To feel like

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I could human might, you know, I could be a human and I could, yeah, we'll call it like we talked about adulting. And it's like, yeah, it helps me human being.

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That's a new term

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of like, emotions and circumstances. And I'm just, yes, tossed around in a in like, a stormy sea. Yeah. And then it's also important to embody our spiritual selves and allow our bodies to kind of hold that compass and rely on on energy and feelings as a way to tap into our spiritual knowing.

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Yes, yes. And so many of us are so afraid of our feelings that it's like, really hard to get there. Right. When you don't want to feel it. Yes. I love that. That's something as coaches we have to teach our clients how to do, right. It's like, so important to teach them how to get in touch with their feelings. Like that's, I mean, you can't even stress that enough. Right? Like, we cannot bypass our feelings. Sorry. It's like, I mean, you can

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but look, I thought, I think it is. Yeah, our feelings are our human experience, right? I mean, yeah, everything we do or don't do is because of how we think it's gonna make us feel. And so I, you know, it's like, so the capacity at which you can feel your emotions is directly proportional to the capacity at which you can live your life, and right, make choices and have new experiences and walk down different paths. And I mean, we've all heard it, it's so cliche, but the only constant in life is change. And it's true. It's a universal law. And we are these beings living on this earth, plummeting through the universe, we like into every expense, the universe, which is changed its movement,

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its mate.

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It's a constant. And, and I think we're supposed to change.

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Yeah.

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We're supposed to, and so if we can, allow ourselves to feel and move with that move, move with that energy in motion? We are, we're living more in alignment with that universal truth. in human form. It's like the best thing ever.

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It really is. So, like, what do you Okay, we kind of did talk about this, maybe, but how would you say you serve your clients now specifically, like, what do you do with clients?

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Yeah, I mean, I help them become embodied. Really?

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That's the short answer, right? Yeah. Get

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after, whether it's one session, I offer one off sessions, you know, and, like, I want you're going to leave feeling more embodied feeling more aware, being more aware of how it feels to be in your body and of the complexities that exists for you there that open up to a whole nother way of experiencing life. So yeah, embodiment. And, and fulfillment, and an expansion.

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Yeah.

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So that's what I offer my clients.

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Yes, yes, it was perfect. And I kind of wanted to as before we wrap up this segment, how did you find that your human design helps you because this is what The main tools I use in my business now so you're splenic manifester, and you're one four, which is my personality profile too. And I know we kind of connected over the one four, but like, how has that opened up some things for you?

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Oh, my gosh, when

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I

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learned I was a manifester. And what that means, I was like, thank God, I'm like,

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I know. I mean, it's

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the permission slip, right? It's like,

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exactly. Oh, I'm

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supposed to initiate I'm supposed to start things. I, I like, you know, ideas come through me that probably haven't ever been, you know, materialized in this world. It's not. Yeah, it made sense that I'm not just trying to be different. Or it was a part of me that I used to use against me, like, Oh, yeah, discovering my human design and really embracing, being a manifester has allowed me to fully step into that superpower. And, yeah, the other big part is I start things, I informed, but I don't finish them. Like, other types are here, up and like, really bring it into fruition. And that, as has allowed me to really, like really dialing into my zone of genius. And

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yeah,

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and ask myself regularly, how can I do more of this in my life, in my business, with my family, as a mom as a Land Steward? Like, how does this energy of starting and initiating show up and it's really like a very special type of like, for me, it's like a leadership energy. That that has so much allowance and so much space for, for everyone. So yeah, and then just knowing that I'm a splenic manifester, that I get a hit. It's an instinctive hit that I get to act on in the moment. I has really made peace with like OCD tendencies, like, Oh, I'm stopping this because I have a I have this hit that I need to go over here and do this thing. And I always come back. It's not like things are. It's not like it's sloppy or messy. There's actually this beautiful rhythm to it. Yeah, I know. Like, this is how I just get this is how I get to.

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Yeah, you splenic types, I think, oh, some days, I'm like, I wish I was explaining. Just have a hit and just go do the thing. Can't Yes, we all have to go by our design. But I love that you've learned kind of how you can because what I found is the more and align we live with the design, the easier it is like things just kind of flow. You know, most of us are over here trying to live against our design, right? Because we've been conditioned to believe, well, this is the way life is you have to you know, this is the way you get successful. This is the way you run a business. This is the way right there's all the ways. Oh my god, it's like, oh, yes. I see this really resonates with you. You're like,

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I need to do that. It'd be great to give examples. Like as a matter of fact, I'm who I like literally channeled divine information intelligence. I think we're, we're all capable. Yeah. My job is to bring it in and to speak it like

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yeah,

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I get it. Like right now.

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Yeah.

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You know, my the conditioning is is like, Oh, and if like in order to be confident enough, or in order to be articulate enough, then you must have had some experiences like college like that's something that grad students do, or you have a PhD in? Or, like in the past? No, this is just who I am. who I am, and I just get to be this way out. Yeah. And I have to go down this path. Like check the boxes. Right? Exactly. and fit it into some framework that makes sense to society like that.

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Yeah. So it's Yeah, for you, that's totally against the grain of having the framework and trying to figure fill in the framework. Right. That's interesting, because for me, it feels like I should be doing more framework things. But then when things don't really align with how I feel like I should be doing them, then I would feel bad. Like, I'm doing it wrong. Something's definitely wrong with me now. Right? And I would make it about it's a problem with me. That's so and I think all of us do. That in some respects, it's a problem. We have an issue. Oh my gosh, something's wrong with me. Right? It's like, but when you learn your design, it's like, oh my gosh, this is really just who I am. Wow. You know, and it feels good. It feels like you put on the right clothes or something. Yeah.

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Stop internalizing it, making it Yeah. Nothing wrong with you. And you can just let it go. Yeah, that you're available to just notice what the next opportunity is or what your body's saying to you. Right? When we it's like that mind management piece is so important. Yeah. So that we can notice like, oh, how have we been embodying the conditioning? And how can we let that go, like the subconscious work is really let that go and shed those layers and open up to what's available now. Guide to the higher body. So you love that. You have helped me with that. So thank you.

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Oh, you are welcome. I just love doing that. So Sarah, thank you so much for being here today. I'm just wondering if people wanted to check you out. Like Where could they get in touch with you? Or what's the best way I guess to come find you.

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My I have a podcast. The radical mind, which is super fun. I love Yes, casting. So. And then I have a web. My website is of the same name. Star Trek guests.com also takes you to the same website. And there you can learn more about me and my work. And reach out to me there. Because I love answering questions.

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Yes. Great. Go see manifestor Sarah. It's awesome. What she's coming up with. So. All right. Thank you so much for being here today. Sarah, it's been such a pleasure to have you.

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Thank you for having me. It's a joy as always,

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Rebecca. Yes. Okay,

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we're just gonna pause for a few minutes, but that was awesome. So the short interview is shorter six to eight minutes, so and it wait. I lost my timer thing up there. I don't know something's going on with my computer. I'm not sure what it is. It's not holding a charge I've ever had that happen to your MacBook. You have a MacBook.

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I have a Mac back.

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Right? It's not holding a charge. I don't know why

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you might need a new battery.

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Have you gotten that before?

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That happened on my old MacBook and I just took it to LG? And he

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Okay, so that's probably what I need because it's really annoying. Um, wait, where am I? Where are you? Cuz I cut you off? No,

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I see you. And I hear you see your your

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Oh, there you are. You're still there. But it's weird how I can't go. Okay. I'm going to exit the full screen for a second. Okay, I just want to see the time. Okay. That's easier for me to look at it up there. Okay, so this one, we might come upon the same stuff. But basically I want to talk about what you've always been an entrepreneur, right. Have you always been an entrepreneur is like a manifester thing, isn't it? You right born an entrepreneur.

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Always says I was a little girl or something I'm gonna do and it's not invented. And it's I'm gonna do Yeah,

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yeah. Interesting. Okay, so it's just about it's kind of like maybe a little bit of that. And then how you help people. Now this is a short interview, but at the end of the interview is about the tip. Right? What are a couple tips you could give about how to be blue more bloomed in your life or like more in alignment with who you are that kind of thing? Like, that's kind of like the last question. So, so yeah, it's, it's kind of just a shorter version of what we just did. Because there's a reason for this short interview.

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I trust you.

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It'll all be good. Okay, let me see. It's so it's 137. Yeah, I just want to see what in my brain What time does that mean? That means like, one five, like 145 to one between 145 and 148 or something. Work? Yeah. It's gonna all be good. So I'm going to do the short, that little intro section again, just, you know, okay, buddy. I'm gonna take a breath first, because I just my brain starts going like,

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welcome, Sarah, thank you so much for being part of my podcast lunch. I'm so happy to have you here today.

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Thank you, Rebecca. I'm stoked to be here.

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truly blessed. Yes. And I just want to say that you and I met about a year ago, it was a little over a year ago at a at a retreat. And we kind of have been on like similar journeys, you know, for this past year of trying to really embody who we uniquely are. Right. And both of us have changed directions in our businesses. So I thought it would be so fun to have you as a guest to talk about that kind of stuff.

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Yes.

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So I first I want wanted to ask you a question about and I asked this to all my guests about being an entrepreneur, but you have a little bit of a different story in that you've always been an entrepreneur yet you didn't like come from a corporate job or write anything like that.

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No, we not. Yeah, I mean, who's that I like? Yeah, I worked.

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And I have had employers, I worked in restaurants since I was 17 years old. I was a nanny for a little while. But ever since I was a little girl, I knew that there was this thing in me that needed to come out that was uniquely mine, and I was the one that was going to bring it out. And that would be that was what entrepreneurship or the entrepreneurial spirit. Like that's my feel like, that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't, I didn't follow any traditional

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paths.

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As a young adult. I didn't. I mean, I did some Junior College. You know, as I love to learn, so, but there was never a degree, there was never a program at a traditional university that allowed me to step into that. That helped me explain what it was that I'm here to do.

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Wow.

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So yeah, I just always followed my own guidance of okay. I'm a healer. So what that looked like when I was 24, was being a massage therapist. Oh, and I just, I just started giving massages, and then I went to massage school. But it's, I didn't you know, it's like, I didn't learn anything there. I remembered a lot. Mmm. Interesting. Yeah, it was always a very for me. My entrepreneurial endeavors were always infused with spirit and lead with spirit and using my intuition and just being guided to do this work. And then, I wanted to do ceremonies, I wanted to write and lead and create space until I started marrying people and writing the last wedding ceremonies, which is super fun. And that, that evolved into wedding planning. Which was amazing. I have a very, like, I have a I have the ability to see things all at once, like, Yeah, I know, like, how things are gonna look and I see all the details. And I it was really fun to then create it. Yeah. And create their wedding and hold space for that beautiful event. Yeah, and all my endeavors were successful there was successful as I imagined them being.

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Wow, well, that's what manifester is do, I'm telling you. Right. That's the perfect dancer for a manifester. Right. So now coming from all of that, like how do you help people now as a life good life coach, I'm a life

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coach. I'm so I still think of myself as a healer, I still like all that work of holding space for one person on my massage table. And, you know, understanding their energy and working with their physical body and then holding space for a couple and then their families and like the generations, that was all just the perfect experiences, I needed to now hold space for my clients who are all over the world, I now do work like this over, you know, over zoom over the phone and hold space for their transformation and healing, not just for them in their life, but past generations, past lifetimes, future generations, future lifetimes, really just helping to heal ancestral lineages and the earth. And so I do what I how I work with my clients. I mean, I'm a coach, I'm a spiritual guy. And I help them integrate mind body and spirit and really doing work that is, is spiritual healing through the emotional body, which is the body, you know, our physical body where our emotion where we experience our emotions, the felt experience, and then and then doing the mindset work around around that those shifts and that change.

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Yeah, that's it sounds like some of the stuff you learned along the way of your other, like, entrepreneurial path, right? It kind of came into this work too. So perfect. Here I am, wherever I go.

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And of course, there's been experiences along the way where I really had to, you know, yeah, I am so I'm happy to say that.

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Yes, it's awesome that you're here because we need you in the world right? We all this is what's so great about it is like we all have our unique like role to play in the world. And I think so many of us don't ever really find out what that is. Or don't like, figure it out or moving to it or not. That's what coaches are here to help people with. Right? Yeah. for themselves.

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I have always felt that my role here is to help other people find their purpose align, like just aligning themselves so that they're knowing of what they're here to do. And then stepping into that.

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Yeah, exactly. Because as you and I both know, it just feels so good. to like, be like, Oh, this is what I'm here to do. Oh, my gosh, you know, it's like this answer, like, oh, and it feels good when it's the answer that you know, is the right answer. Yeah, right. cuz I've tried. I've tried a lot of other answers that weren't probably. So yeah, like what what is one or two tips that you can share with our audience to help them lean into living more in alignment with their unique gifts with who they are uniquely here? To be? Clear.

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This is what I say everywhere is, is allowing emotions really does this want to be said right now? You don't. When you avoid, resist or react to emotions, which is the felt experience in your body, you are dis you're continuing a pattern of disconnection from yourself. And you can't fully step into what your purpose I mean, that's a heavy, that's a loaded word, but just fully step into yourself, and who you get to be on this earth at this time in this life, if you're denying any aspect of yourself. And so yeah, I believe in I teach, and I coach on, stepping into that those emotional experiences allowing the emotion and, and following it and allowing it to show you why it's there. And if it's, if it's showing up, it's because it's ready to transform, it's ready to move and to shift in some way. And when we bring conscious awareness to that experience, we shift to like, it's, it's this beautiful dance that we get to do with ourselves and with what I call energy bodies, energy, bodies, emotions. And so by allowing it and so just what are the steps that people can do? What are the tips is, is when you have a feeling? Yeah, deep breath, notice, name it and ask yourself, where am I feeling this right now in my body? What are the sensations I'm feeling and build intimacy with it? And then you can you can take it further you cannot, you can create a relationship with emotions in your body that they then have the opportunity to show you more about what they are and why they're there. It's never because somebody said something. Is your husband like for God? It was your anniversary or you know, your kids slam the door like those external events, trigger the emotions that are already there within you that you get to allow and be with.

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Thank you. Yeah, what a great tip, right? We need to feel our feelings people.

38:23
Feel your feelings.

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I love that. So I want to remind our audience that you can see Sarah's full interview coming up. And so go subscribe to the podcast so you'll be notified of this. The full interview and thank you so much, Sarah, for being here with me today. This has been super fun.

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I love being with you. Thank you.

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