Bursting the Bubble of Mormonism with Thais Glenn

Rebecca:

Welcome to Beautifully Bloomed, the podcast where we explore how to break
you out of the box of rules and beliefs that are holding you back from the
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you desire.

Rebecca:

So welcome, Thais. Thank you so having on my podcast today.

Thais:

Thank you so much for having me.

Rebecca:

Yes. I'm so excited to talk about this topic because, as I was telling you
before we started, that I have been studying Mormonism because I'm really
fascinated. And so I've invited several people to talk this year, as this
is being released, I'm inviting other people to talk about their religious
experiences, something I'm experiencing right now. I'm going through a
transition in my religious beliefs. So I think this is a fascinating topic.
And so, first of all, tell me a little about the religion you came from or
that we're going to talk about today. Like why?

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So I first heard of Mormonism, and I was probably 13 or 14 years old and it
was in school. One of my best friends, she was a member of the church and
she grew up, she was born and raised as a member in Brazil. And I just fell
in love with the temples. I just loved the, and now I know it's the
sacredness of the temple that I really loved, but at the time it was just
how beautiful those buildings were. And just that mystic feeling that you
couldn't go inside, you can just see it from the outside. I just fell in
love the whole thing. And ...

Rebecca:

So you're from Brazil? Let me just ask that first.

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

Were you, you lived in Brazil? Do you still live in Brazil?

Thais:

No, I live in Boston.

Rebecca:

Okay. Let's get that straight first. Oh, okay. So you found Mormonism in
Brazil?

Thais:

In Brazil.

Rebecca:

Okay. Okay.

Thais:

So Brazil has the biggest Mormon community outside of the United States.

Rebecca:

Really? Okay, interesting.

Thais:

Yeah. So we have a lot of members there.

Rebecca:

Oh? So your friend, did she kind of talk you into coming into the church?

Thais:

Yeah, so we have the saying, that every member is a missionary. So she
definitely had that, I need to share the gospel with all my friends in
school. Everywhere she went, she would preach the gospel.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

So that's kind of how she had that hook on me and ...

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Yeah, it was great.

Rebecca:

So you started going with her to church?

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

Yes. I, ...

Rebecca:

So your parents didn't?

Thais:

No.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

So my parents were a little bit against them. They couldn't understand the
church and the church really sucks you in, especially as a teenager,
because they have the meetings. At that time, it were three hours on a
Sunday morning, but then on Monday you don't have anything, but from
Tuesday through Friday, you have seminary that, we go after school every
single day for an hour or two, and then you socialize.

Rebecca:

Wow.

Thais:

And then Saturday we have what they call the Mutuals, which is activity for
the youth.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So you'd spend the whole Saturday there and then the whole Sunday there. So
my parents were a little, what is this? Where's my daughter now? And I was
loving it.

Rebecca:

Well, it sounds to me like what you liked was, it gave you community, kind
of.

Thais:

Oh, absolutely.

Rebecca:

It's like, here's just kids my age and we're doing stuff all the time and
...

Thais:

Yes. And not just. That had really good standards, right? Like we're not
kids doing drugs. And that little group that I had at that time, they were
very good people.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So it was very easy for me to just be entertained with them.

Rebecca:

Yeah. So you started there when you're 14. You're probably in high school,
right?

Thais:

Yeah. Yeah.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

It was high school.

Rebecca:

So you stayed then with the church through high school?

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

And then did you go to college?

Thais:

Yes. So I did. I went to college right out of high school, but I had a
little gap to serve a mission. So I was a missionary Mormon for a year and
a half ...

Rebecca:

Oh, interesting.

Thais:

... in the southern states in Brazil.

Rebecca:

Okay. So you did go on a mission.

Thais:

I did.

Rebecca:

Did you like being on the mission?

Thais:

Oh, love it. Every second of it. It was amazing. So I think the experience
was unbelievable.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Just putting a bunch of young adults together and being there to preach the
gospel and just sharing this message that I believed so much in my heart.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So it was a very good experience. With that being said, there were ... It's
50, 50, right?

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

There were a lot of things that probably I wanted to erase from my memory.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

But overall, those are very good memories that I have from my mission.

Rebecca:

I have a question. So when you started in high school, you weren't a
Mormon, then you started be a Mormon. Now did you have to start wearing
these garments and doing all this stuff?

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

That must have felt very weird.

Thais:

So you start with this after you go through the temple.

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

So for me, I went through the temple because I was going on my mission.
Typically, it's either to go on a mission or to get married in the temple
or ...

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Sometimes just because you want to go through the temple, then you start
wearing the garments.

Rebecca:

Yes. That's interesting.

Thais:

And though it was weird because I was so involved with the people in the
church and all of them were.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So it was weird to think that I wouldn't wear.

Rebecca:

Yeah. But you just started and it was like, oh, no big deal. I'm just going
to really go in this.

Thais:

I was totally in. As soon as I got back ... So my brother, so I was
baptized and a week later my brother was baptized.

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

And that was weird because I have always been a lover of Jesus and I wanted
to learn everything about Jesus. My brother was totally against.

Rebecca:

Oh?

Thais:

So in the church you say that, we feel the spirit and then you follow the
spirit.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

By following it, means you get baptized. And my brother really felt it. He,
so that was, my parents were like, ah, this is like a cult, sucking up my
children because both of the children, it's just my brother and I, got
baptized super fast. My parents, they took about five years or so. And then
they were also baptized.

Rebecca:

Oh, wow. So they went too.

Thais:

Yes. So when I got back from my mission, we were all members of the church
...

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

And was like that, very Orthodoxic Mormon family, at that time.

Rebecca:

Oh, wow. Interesting. So did you stay at home to go to college, or did you
go somewhere else to?

Thais:

Yes, I stayed at home.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

And so there's not a Mormon college where you live?

Thais:

No.

Rebecca:

Okay. So, because I know, I'm thinking of Salt Lake, or wherever it is,
there's ...

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

Yeah, yeah. Those Mormon colleges. So you're Mormon. So through college,
did you still stay ...?

Thais:

Yes, the whole time.

Rebecca:

That's fascinating.

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

I mean, and did you find a Mormon guy to date?

Thais:

Oh, I did. I dated him for about five years.

Rebecca:

Oh, wow.

Thais:

And we were set to get married. And he was finished his MBA, I believe, and
I was in college, and he was not in love with me anymore. And we broke up
and I was heartbroken. So I went on the mission, was already planned for me
to go on the mission anyways, but it was good for me to get away from him.
And then as soon as I got back from my mission, he was living in the same
town. So I was like, I need to get out of here. So I came to the US. That's
how I came here. I was about 23 years old when I moved to the US. I was
living in Washington, DC. And then, so I was dating all the LDS guys and
everything, just having that single life, inside of the LDS community. And
that's where I found my husband.

Rebecca:

So you did marry an LDS?

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And so did you guys ...

Thais:

In the temple and everything.

Rebecca:

You did the temple marriage and all of the things. Okay. And so, I don't
know, how old are you now?

Thais:

I'm almost 37.

Rebecca:

Okay. So how long after you got married, did you stay as Mormons? Yeah.

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

Believing and doing all the things, and family nights? I don't know all the
things you do, right?

Thais:

Yes. So we were very, very Orthodoxic for over 10 years in our marriage.
And it wasn't until we moved to Boston that we were a little bit, so he
started having some doubts and I was like, don't talk to me about it.

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

I don't want to hear any doubts that you have.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Because in the church we do have a little bit of this culture where it's
really hard to have one believer, and one not believer. So in my mind, it's
like, if my husband is falling, I can't be a part of it.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So in my mind that was the main thing is that we would need to get a
divorce.

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

And that was really hard. So I just didn't even want to hear. And he was
all into Mormon podcasts, the Mormon Story podcasts.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

And I was just like, I can't do this.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

And so that's how I was pushing him away. We were married for over 10
years.

Rebecca:

Oh, so you're not with the same husband anymore?

Thais:

No. Yeah, I am.

Rebecca:

Oh, you are? Okay. You were married for over 10 years, but you were having
doubts. [crosstalk 00:09:23] He was having doubts and you were like, I
don't want to hear it.

Thais:

Yes. Yes.

Rebecca:

Okay. Because in Boston, did you still have a Mormon community? Like and a
church and ...?

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

Okay. You still had all the things.

Thais:

Yes. So what I said, the way is that when we moved, so we were very, very
Orthodoxic in Washington DC. But when we moved to Boston, we have the
church here and it has a temple, right. And I was serving in my church, my
word, but we didn't find the community. We didn't find what we were looking
for, I guess.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

We didn't have that friendship. And then COVID hit. And we were staying
home, not going to a church in person. And the doubts just started piling
up in my mind. So I would ask something and he was like, yeah. And he would
give me all these explanations.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So I was very afraid of falling out of the church because to me it's so
important. We believe that that was the only way to go back to heaven. The
only way to be with your family forever.

Rebecca:

But so your belief, like what were you thinking about what it was for you
up until the age of 14? Because you weren't a Mormon up until the age of
14. So what you thought is, oh, if I wouldn't have gotten to be a Mormon, I
would never get to be with my family in heaven. Or is that kind of what
your line of thinking was, about ...?

Thais:

Well, no, because I didn't know about it. I didn't know the Mormons at all.

Rebecca:

Yeah. But ... I'm just saying, looking back, what would you ...?

Thais:

Looking back?

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Well ...

Rebecca:

Was it like, good thing we found ...?

Thais:

Right. That was the whole thing. It's like, I'm so blessed that I found it.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

But they have this whole baptism for the dead.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So if you don't get baptized in your life, I guess you pray that someone
will baptize you after you're dead, or something like that.

Rebecca:

Oh, interesting, right.

Thais:

They have this whole explanation, of looking back. It's like, it doesn't
make sense.

Rebecca:

But basically what you're saying is, you, as a Mormon, could now go to the
temple and you could baptize people who aren't alive anymore.

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

But were never Mormon. And now they'll be a Mormon. They can be ...

Thais:

In heaven.

Rebecca:

Yeah. In the right place.

Thais:

And we do a lot of work for genealogy. We spent, my mom, she spent so much
time going to cemeteries and looking up names and trying to find your
genealogy, your tree, because those people need the baptism. And it's your
responsibility as a living LDS to baptize your ancestors.

Rebecca:

Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah. So now, the point we were at in the story,
before I interrupted you, was that you're, this is what's interesting about
COVID because when you stay home for a while, because this is what happened
for me too. I decided, it's COVID and we're just going to stay home. So
then you're not really with the people every day and doing all those things
that took up so much time. Wait a minute, there could be more to life than
just going every day, to do whatever I have to do. Yeah.

Thais:

Even, we started enjoying yourselves more.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Enjoyed their weekends more that we were not cleaning the church or moving
somebody or ... It wasn't the things that we had to do every weekend was
eating up our weekend.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

And then we were just tired in the house. Now we're staying home, we're
like, oh, we can go for a walk. We can have breakfast and not worry about
the time you need to go to church. And that's another thing with LDS is
that you don't have the choice of not going every Sunday. You need to go.
And if you don't go, they're calling you. Why aren't you at church?

Rebecca:

Wow.

Thais:

And then you need to give an excuse. I'm sick, but you can't lie. So it's
weird thing, that it's just easier to go anyways, even if you don't want
to.

Rebecca:

Yeah, I get it. I can draw some parallels between the fundamentalist
religion I grew up in, which is not Mormonism. But even though we didn't
have things we had to do every day, as far as go to the church and do
things, it's still, there was a Bible class once a week and there was
church services on Sunday. But outside of that, you still felt this
obligation to do all these things in the right way. To wear certain things
or not wear certain things, or not behave in certain ways. So in a
different way than you. Yes, if you weren't at church, people noticed and
they were wondering what's ...? And I always felt so guilty. I'm like, oh
my gosh, I have to make an excuse. Why do you have to make an excuse if you
don't want to go somewhere on a Sunday morning?

Thais:

Right.

Rebecca:

It's just dumb.

Thais:

And it feels heavy because we have this whole thing of, oh, now they will
be judging me.

Rebecca:

I know.

Thais:

Now I feel shame.

Rebecca:

Oh, so shameful.

Thais:

Yeah. Right.

Rebecca:

Guilty, like all the guilt and shame. There's the guilt and shame cycle.

Thais:

I always felt so guilty.

Rebecca:

Oh, totally.

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

Totally. But it sounds to me like you didn't experience anything before
that. Throughout your Mormon story, you didn't experience things that made
you feel guilty and shameful. You know how there's all those rules and ...

Thais:

Exactly. I mean, it's everything. If you go to Starbucks and someone from
church sees you at Starbucks, you need to make sure they know it's hot
chocolate because they don't ...

Rebecca:

You could hot chocolate, but not coffee.

Thais:

No, not coffee.

Rebecca:

But what's the difference? Between coffee and hot chocolate? Well, I mean
seriously, ...

Thais:

Those are the rules.

Rebecca:

They both have caffeine. If that's, what is the rule about coffee? I still
don't really understand the coffee thing.

Thais:

We have five, I think it's five items that we just don't do at all. And
it's called the Word of Wisdom. So you don't eat those things. It's coffee,
alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, anything. It's black tea.

Rebecca:

Oh? So it's not the caffeine. That's not the ...

Thais:

No, it's not the caffeine. No. It's just a rule.

Rebecca:

We don't know what it is.

Thais:

No one understands.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

I would feel the shame of having this cup and I would feel the need to open
it and show whoever I see. Or if you are at the grocery store and I'm
walking through the aisle where they sell coffee ...

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

... I need to look away because if someone sees me, they can't see me
looking at coffee. I mean, I'm not buying coffee, so.

Rebecca:

Wow, that's interesting.

Thais:

So it's all those things. I had times where people would actually, members
of my church would see me in a coffee aisle and we make a little, oh, I'm
not buying coffee. Oh, I know. You know, I had this little joke, but you
know. Or like in the alcohol aisle, you just don't even go there because
it's the appearance of the evil. That's how they call it. So you want to
avoid the appearance of evil.

Rebecca:

Yes.

Thais:

So all those things brings a lot of shame.

Rebecca:

Yes. So yeah. I get that because in our church, they're big coffee
drinkers. I don't even drink coffee. I don't like coffee, so I don't drink
it. But they love coffee. But the alcohol, right. That's a no-no, it's
sinful and I don't know what else. You become an alcoholic. And it's going
to remove you from God. I don't know, all the things, about alcohol.

Thais:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

So it is interesting how you, just like this substance that can cause so
much thoughts and feelings, and behaviors even. You're like, oh, the thing
you have to do in order to make yourself feel good about it, which is so
...

Thais:

And it's everything. Like you ask about the garments. So you need to wear
sleeves to cover the garments.

Rebecca:

Yeah. Yeah.

Thais:

And if I go work out, some Mormons would actually wear the garments to go
to the gym. And I was like this, especially in Brazil, I was so into it.
But I would wear regular clothes that covers my shoulders with the
garments. When I get to the gym, I would go to the bathroom, change and get
out of my garments, because I couldn't fathom the idea of driving without
the garments.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Because when I die, the garments is my protection.

Rebecca:

That is so ...

Thais:

The garments it's what would keep me safe in a car crash.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

So of course I need to wear them.

Rebecca:

Yeah, so it's interesting how these beliefs can just become so embedded. I
mean, they really do kind of control your life. I know I've thought about
this a lot. That is so interesting. We build this foundation up and then
our whole life gets constructed around it. And then there's all the
downside of it too, of that guilt and shame, which I feel, is that helpful?
In my case, it's just not. It can really lead you down a dark path.

Thais:

And it just controls everything about you, right?

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

It controls how you parent, it controls how, in your relationship with your
husband, it controls so much, relationship with your parents.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

The shame, like if you leave the church, can you tell your parents?

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Would they accept you? Would they love you the same way, if you're not a
member?

Rebecca:

Yes.

Thais:

So it has all those ...

Rebecca:

So we're at that point in the story. So what happened? Okay, we got off on
a tangent, but I love tangents. So we're like, now it's COVID time and
you've decided not to attend. And you and your husband are like, wow, we
have all this enjoyment on Sundays. So now what happens? When do you
actually ...? For you, when did something click that you don't want to
really stay?

Thais:

Oh, that's a good question. I don't know when it truly happened, but it was
small things that I start think. Because another thing the church is that
you don't think for yourself.

Rebecca:

Oh yeah?

Thais:

You pray. You can ask God, god will tell you. And you pray, but you don't
go and look online. It's totally against looking at anti Mormon websites,
or ...

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

It makes sense, but it keeps you in this bubble. And I remember getting
very upset with my husband one day, and yelling at him and saying, you
burst my bubble. I was happier in my bubble because it was so much easier
to have something to control you.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Have something to tell me what is the right thing to do.

Rebecca:

Oh, yeah.

Thais:

So I think when, it was just looking at history. It just doesn't make
sense. When I was trying to make sense of history, make sense of polygamy,
makes sense of so many things in the church, it just doesn't make sense.

Rebecca:

I'm just curious if you had any gut feelings, as you were doing that?

Thais:

Oh, no. No.

Rebecca:

You didn't have any gut feelings when you were researching, or ...?

Thais:

Oh, when I was researching?

Rebecca:

Oh.

Thais:

Okay. I thought you asked me, before. I was like, no, before I was told ...

Rebecca:

Oh right. You were here like, okay, this is the belief I have. And this is
what I'm told to believe. I'm just going to follow it. That's what you
decided, right?

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

And you just went along.

Thais:

Absolutely.

Rebecca:

I totally get that, yes.

Thais:

I did. I had, something is not right.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

I don't know what it is.

Rebecca:

There's a feeling, yeah.

Thais:

Right. But what really got me was when I started looking at the church's
spirit against homosexuality, very against.

Rebecca:

Yeah, yeah.

Thais:

And I was just looking at my children. And it's like, there is it, I have
three.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

It's a lot.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

There's a chance one of them might be, I don't know.

Rebecca:

Right.

Thais:

I don't know what they're going to grow up with. I just don't know.

Rebecca:

You don't know, yeah.

Thais:

How can I go to a place where they're taught that they're not worthy? So
that was like, the worthiness, was a word that really got to me. Because if
you drink coffee, you are not worthy to go to the temple.

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

If you don't wear your garments, you're not worthy to go to heaven.

Rebecca:

Right.

Thais:

So it has that word, worthiness. And then I would look at my children and I
was like, what if one of them is gay?

Rebecca:

Mm hmm (affirmative).

Thais:

They won't be worthy.

Rebecca:

Mm hmm (affirmative).

Thais:

So that was really harsh to me. And then I was coaching women that has such
drama over this. Like I'm not worthy of love, I'm not worthy of ... My
husband is too good for me. I'm not worthy of him.

Rebecca:

Mm.

Thais:

And I was just, what is happening? So that was, to me was when I was like,
something is wrong here.

Rebecca:

Yeah. Yeah.

Thais:

This is not okay. The polygamy here and then homosexuality here.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

And worthiness here. This is just not matching to a church. It's just not
okay.

Rebecca:

So you just stopped going at some point?

Thais:

We stopped because of COVID. So that would be a great excuse for us.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

We don't have any family around. So we cannot get sick with COVID. So we
were taking all, the quarantine, really seriously. Social distancing very,
very seriously. So it was just a no brainer to not go to church.

Rebecca:

But then you just didn't go back. Is that what you're saying?

Thais:

And then we just never. Yes. And then we just never went back.

Rebecca:

Now, did you tell your family and ...?

Thais:

No, my side of the family, they're totally fine. They understand. And my
parents are still very strong members of the church. My husband's side, we
don't really talk about it, but yeah. [crosstalk 00:22:46]

Rebecca:

You're allowed to see them, right?

Thais:

We are.

Rebecca:

Yeah. Yeah.

Thais:

But it's just, it's more of how they would treat us if they knew we were
not fully active in the church.

Rebecca:

Oh, you really haven't told them, is what you're saying.

Thais:

Oh no.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Thais:

Not at all. Yeah.

Rebecca:

Don't worry. They won't listen to this episode.

Thais:

I don't think they would.

Rebecca:

No. No, that's interesting though what we choose because that's kind of a
place I'm in too is, I haven't really talked about this with my parents and
my sister who are really strong in our church. And I feel like it would be
a relief to talk about it, but yet I haven't found the words, or the way.
And it's just difficult.

Thais:

I think, yes. For me, what we see is that it's just breaking their hearts.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Because in the church, for them, what they would see it as, we won't have
them in heaven.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

Like this part of the family won't be with them in heaven. So out of
respect for their belief, I don't want to break their hearts.

Rebecca:

Yeah. Yeah. But in another way too, I have thought that, why can't I make
my own choices as an adult and tell them, I love you. I don't really care
that you believe that, I just don't believe it. We can have our own beliefs
and we can still be a family. Isn't this amazing? And this is just so ...

Thais:

So that's where I get so sad with Mormonism, is that, no, you can't. You
can't have the family.

Rebecca:

Yeah. Well, in our church they would say, well, you're not going to heaven.
Now they get really, really upset about that and sad about it. Oh, it's
like you've been kicked out of the tribe now. You're not going to get into
heaven. It's like, oh yeah. So, oh, and that's so fascinating.

Rebecca:

So I'm curious because I know you're just learning your human design, but
you said you're a 4/6 manifestor, and the four is very community oriented,
because I have a line for it also. It's like you love connection,
especially people you trust, you're like that loving, trusting ... And I
think that, for me especially, church kept that. That's why I stayed so
long. I'm like, I have this community, it feels safe, it feels secure. Line
four likes security. So I can see why, between you and I, there's some
similarities because I too wanted to be all in. I'm like, I'm going to be
all in because then I'm acceptable. I'm acceptable, now people love me and
they accept me. Yeah, I have some struggles myself, but I don't know if I
really believe that? It's just like my thoughts about it, like, hmm. But
let's not say that because ...

Thais:

And you know it's hard to leave the community. And one of my questions was,
where would I find community?

Rebecca:

Yes. [crosstalk 00:25:29] That's one of the hardest things. Yes.

Thais:

Where would I find? So it was a little bit easier to leave when I couldn't
find that community here in Massachusetts.

Rebecca:

Yeah. Yeah.

Thais:

Because I didn't have the community anyways.

Rebecca:

You already don't have it.

Thais:

Right.

Rebecca:

Yeah.

Thais:

But even this, I can see the need to stay for the community.

Rebecca:

Yes. [crosstalk 00:25:48] There's a safety thing. Yeah. And it feels like,
well, my children, then they'll find their spouses and they'll have
families in church. I don't know.

Thais:

Yes.

Rebecca:

It's just that whole thinking about the lineage as it goes on. That's been
really hard for me to process through.

Thais:

To process, yes.

Rebecca:

Yes. And now what? Where is the community? I don't know yet. I'm still
trying to figure that out for myself, but ... Oh, I really appreciate this.
You've brought up some good points that I think a lot of other people, a
lot of other women, even if they're not Mormon, who are really trying to
wrap their head around, well, what do I want to believe? And where do I fit
in anymore? Because when you have this faith crisis, it really does make
you question a lot of things.

Rebecca:

And so thank you so much for sharing your story. I am wondering if you can
just tell us, where can people find you if they wanted to find out more
about what kind of coaching you do or what's your program about? Just a
couple of minutes about that.

Thais:

Yes. Thank you. It's my first time sharing my faith story, so thanks for
listening to this.

Rebecca:

Well, I loved hearing it.

Thais:

So my name is Thais Glen. You can find me, Thais Glen Coaching, Instagram
or my website is Thais Glen Coaching. And I coach women that have been
stuck in their perfect reality. You know, when your life is just absolutely
perfect and everyone envy you, but you're unhappy and unfulfilled and you
just are stuck and you just can't move on. And that's what I do. I just get
you out of this and show you that beautiful reality that everybody else can
see, but you.

Rebecca:

Awesome.

Thais:

That's what I do in coaching.

Rebecca:

In the show notes, I'll have a link to your website and stuff so people can
go there. So thank you for coming on today.

Thais:

Thank you. Thank you.

Rebecca:

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