Human Design and Business with Jackie Johnstone

Rebecca:

Happy summer. I am so happy that I have beach weather now. If you don't
know anything about me, I love the beach. So I got to spend several hours
on the beach at Lake Superior yesterday, and I did a lot of journaling and
thinking, and I was thinking about how the energy of the beach really does
allow me to get in touch with my inner guidance, somehow. There's some
something spiritual at the beach for me. I'm not sure what it is, but it
just feels so in flow. So I hope you're getting to do things in your life
that feel in flow. The weather here is definitely really conducive to how I
stay in flow. And the other thing I wanted to say is I have a workshop
coming up next week. It's called Flow, but really it's about how to be more
in flow with less overwhelm in your business.

Rebecca:

And we're going to go into seven areas of the human design chart to show
you how you can use those for your business, what's unique to you about
your human design that will help you in your business. So if you want to
sign up for that, go to www.rebeccaturbo.com/flow. That's F-L-O-W. So today
I am so excited. I have a guest on that was my first human design mentor,
actually. I learned a lot about human design from her, so it's so fun to be
talking about business with her today. So let's get started.

Rebecca:

Welcome to Beautifully Bloomed, the podcast where we explore how to break
you out of the box of rules and beliefs that are holding you back from the
life you're meant to live. I'm your host, Rebecca Tervo. Join me as I share
mindset tools, coaching conversations, and Human Design, to help you
uncover your unique gifts and create the life, relationships, and business
you desire.

Rebecca:

Jackie Johnstone is a Human Design expert, business coach, and breathwork
facilitator in New Brunswick, Canada. She's in love with transformation,
and helps ambitious humans trust themselves more deeply in business and in
life. Welcome, Jackie, so happy to have you here.

Jackie:

Oh, it's such a pleasure to be here.

Rebecca:

Yeah. I just want to first talk about how we met, because it's kind of a
fun story.

Jackie:

It is kind of a fun story. Yeah. Yeah. Well, why don't you tell it from
your point of view first?

Rebecca:

Yes. My point of view is that I had a business coach named Caryn Gillen,
who was actually on my podcast for my very first episode, because she kind
of introduced me to Human Design. We were going to a retreat with her, and
this was in 2019, and she said, "Before you come, pull your Human Design
chart." And I'm like, "What the heck is a Human Design chart?" I had never
heard of it before. And I've done a lot of personality tests, right? All
those, I don't even know. There's a lot of them you could do. I've done all
those. And I'm like, "I never heard of this." And so of course, then Caryn
didn't even talk about it. She just wanted for her own good to know
something. And we're like, "What? You're not even going to tell us what
this thing is about?" I was like, "What's going on?" And I think it was
early 2020 when you came into our group.

Jackie:

Yeah.

Rebecca:

I think it was early 2020.

Jackie:

Yeah. So I've known Caryn for, I don't even know now, five years, six
years? We initially came through Jenna Zoe's work online about two years
after I did, I think. And so that's how we connected originally. And then I
found Human Design, or was introduced to Human Design. Actually, really the
truth is, that Human Design pursued me in 2017, 2018. I was pregnant with
my second, and it kept showing up. And I kept, in my skeptic mind, I'm a
1/3 manifest sacral Manifesting Generator for anyone who's listening who
knows what that means. And I'm a massive skeptic. I'm a Questioner in
Gretchen Rubin's framework, if you've done that. And Human Design kept
showing up, and I kept being like, "What is that? This isn't a thing. I
don't believe it." Right? But it just kept coming back, and something about
it nudged me in my sacral, even though I didn't know it at the time, to go
deeper and to investigate it more.

Jackie:

And I really kind of fell head first into it, early 2018. And I gave birth
to my second son in March of 2018. And he's a Reflector.

Rebecca:

Oh, wow.

Jackie:

It started to make sense, like this thing was showing up both for business
and for my personal life, to help me to know some things, to be a better
mom, to be a better business owner. And I went into it in that full, 1/3
manner of reading all the things, taking a course on it, experimenting with
it, and being like, "Actually, when I follow my decision-making strategy,
which is to wait to respond and trust my gut, life is easier. I spend a lot
less time up here, freaking out in my stories and overthinking all the
things, and a lot more time doing things that I actually want to do.

Jackie:

And when I start to look back on my life, I was like, "Yeah, all of the
really big decisions that I made that didn't really seem to make sense on
paper, I did trust my gut, even without realizing that that's what I was
doing." And it got to a point where the evidence I had gathered was kind of
undeniable. And I was like, "Okay, there must be something in this whole
Human Design framework. I need to know more." And then I signed up for the
BG5 Foundations course, which is International Human Design School
Business, Human Design for business focused class. And at the time, had no
designs on changing my business. I was a Social Media and Digital Marketing
Consultant. And I didn't think that Human Design was going to come into my
business. I just really wanted to know more for myself.

Jackie:

And that was in the... That was... When was that? Early, early 2019, like
January. And suddenly, friends around me, business friends around me,
started asking me about it, because they could see that I was learning more
and I was experimenting, I was having fun with it. And Caryn was one of
those people. And she was in, I did a Mastermind of, I think there were six
women, just people I knew who were like, "I want to know more." And I was
like, "I have no idea what this is going to be, but if you want on for the
ride, let's do it."

Rebecca:

Yep, and we did it.

Jackie:

Yeah, for like three months together, in the spring of 2019. And it was
amazing to see the changes, just small things like Projectors learning that
cold calling and pitching themselves to these speakers isn't going to be
helpful for them, right? And that they can lean back and let the right
person connect them with somebody. And just things like that. Like the
"aha" moments and the ways that business was changing for these women, that
really cemented it for me. And then I went farther down the rabbit hole in
several semesters into training with BG5. And I'm still learning, and I
probably will never stop, because it's an onion. You can constantly
continue to pick into more layers of Human Design. And now I'm looking at
how to combine it with all the other different things that I love to do.
And that I've recently been training in breathwork and subconscious
transformation tools. And the common thread is really, I have always been
obsessed with growth and transformation for myself, and for helping other
people to do it.

Jackie:

And these tools have been so helpful on my own journey, which makes
complete sense, because I'm a 1/3. And somehow I'm here to be like, "This
is what's worked for me. Let me help you. Right? Let me help you also
discover more about yourself, also trust yourself more deeply." Because we
kind of outsource so much of our power, I think, to external places, like,
"Just tell me how to market my business." Or, "Just tell me how I should be
selling, or what I should be offering." Or, "How I should be showing up
with my kids?" When we have the answers that people outside of us could
never have, if we just know how to tap into them.

Rebecca:

Yeah. That's amazing. Your journey has been like... I kind of followed you
down the rabbit hole. I was like, "Ooh. Jackie's doing all this interesting
stuff. I want to learn more, too."

Jackie:

Yeah, yeah. That's awesome.

Rebecca:

So I was in your group for awhile. And that's where my initial kind of
foundations of learning was with your group. What I loved about your
group... So what's amazing with being with other people, learning their
Designs at the same time, is you get to experience it with them while
they're learning, and then you can learn about the people that aren't your
type. Right? Because I'm also a Manifesting Generator, but to be with other
Projectors and Manifesters, right? And not really Reflectors, where are the
Reflectors?

Jackie:

I know, there's so few of them. But yeah, you're in their experience.

Rebecca:

Yeah. It was super fun.

Jackie:

We can study it a lot, and understand the theory of it, but we really only
have access to the truth of what is in our own Design. Right? So having
other people to reflect what's in their Designs helps us to learn and
create it more deeply.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And then we were all kind of with our families, experimenting, and
then coming back to the group and saying, "Oh yeah, my son, he's a Mental
Projector, and blah, blah, blah." Right? And we were exchanging notes, and
it was super for my learning. It was amazing, because I was like, "Oh, I
got to experience all those different." Before I even started doing charts
for anybody. I got to experience that whole six months, I think it was six
months for sure, with your group. That was super fun and helpful in a lot
of ways. So yeah. Thank you for that. So I thought, "Someday, Jackie's
going to be on my podcast, so we can talk about that whole-"

Jackie:

Incredible. I'm so glad to be here.

Rebecca:

Yes, this whole Human Design experience, right, that we're going through.
Because I find that too, when you said about skepticism, I don't... Why, I
wasn't skeptical about it. Isn't that weird? I really wasn't. I was like,
"Well, this is something I'm just going to learn about, and I'm going to
see what it can teach me, and blah, blah, blah." I didn't really have a lot
of skepticism. I'm just curious by nature. Right? I'm really curious, like,
"What's this all about?" And if I learn a bunch about it, and decide it's
not useful, then I won't talk about it, probably, right? That's kind of how
I attack things. But it's super amazing now. It's just super amazing. So
when you're in... I remember you talked about this BG5 thing, like you're
in this. This is a long program, right? The BG5?

Jackie:

Ah, yeah.

Rebecca:

Okay. So how many more years is it, or like you have?

Jackie:

So I have finished five semesters, so that's like two full years of
training, basically. Because there's technically three semesters a year,
and I'm in my sixth semester now, and I have three more after this. So
there's nine. And that's not all, all; I mean, there's all these different
facets. It's as far as I think I want to go, at least for right now. I'll
never say never with my line one, but the next kind of... So what I've
learned so far is, we start by looking at ourselves and at the individual,
and understanding what BG5 calls the Career Type, which is your Aura type:
Generator, Manifesting Generator, Projector, Reflector, Manifestor. And
they have different names for everything, because they like to Career-ify
it.

Jackie:

But you learn that, and then you start to move into an understanding of the
nine Centers, right? Which, how they have those functions, like influence
your Design, and what you have, and where your shadows can lie, right?
Where your distractions are, and can be. And then you go deeper into the
circuitry of the chart, right? So the lines that you see connecting the
centers on your chart, the ones that are fully colored in are your
strengths. The ones that are half colored in are just traits that you have.
So these are all pieces of you, and how they all interact. And there's all
these different Circuits in Human Design, and they have different themes.

Jackie:

So most of my Circuitry is individual, and specifically in the Integration
Circuit, which is, the big theme of that circuit is self-empowerment. And
it's also like individual; anything, individual in Human Design is like
mutation, like you're here to change things. So you kind of want to step
outside the normal, because the Collective and the Tribal are more like
what we think of as normal, family units or society.

Jackie:

The individual's really not here to be normal. So we're kind of the meat in
this. We really are the freaks that help things change. And so much of that
is about empowering myself to do that. And so I can see that in my journey.
And then once you've kind of gone into that level of detail, and then into
the planets and the line level and all that, you can start to look at how
two charts come together, right? And those are compatibility charts, or
relationship charts. And specifically in business, like a partnership chart
for how would you work together, collaborate with somebody else?

Jackie:

And then once you bring three or more people together, the Auras come
together and change into what we call a Trans-Auric Form, which is just a
fancy word of saying you can feel the energy move and shift when you become
a group of three or more. You're sitting talking, we're sitting talking
here. If a third person came in the room, the energy would shift. And it's
not bad. It just is. And it's called the Penta. And it doesn't look at the
whole entirety of our Design. It only looks at the kind of Throat, G, and
Sacral parts of our Design, and how it interacts with that parts of the
design of the other three to-

Rebecca:

Yeah. Who brings in what, right?

Jackie:

Yeah, exactly. And so it really helps us to understand why some people feel
really good in small group settings, and some people really don't. I know
when I worked in corporate, I would always, and this is very Manifesting
Generator, too, but it's like, I would do my job for like a year and then
be like, "I'm good at this. I'm bored. I need to move on to something
else." And part of that's the Manifesting Generator, and part of that's,
I'm just not really built for a small group on the longterm. The whole of
me doesn't get seen and recognized in a group. It doesn't get used. So I
don't feel like I'm bringing... You can feel very frustrated, you know what
I mean? That you're not able to really contribute the way that you feel
like you should be able to. And so some people are here to work long-term
in small groups, and some aren't. And the Penta helps us to see those
dynamics and work with them.

Jackie:

And so in our businesses, the people we hire, the businesses we work in,
any partnerships that we're working in, those dynamics. And so there's a
lot going into that with a whole entire semester, with just looking at the
Penta, and how to engineer it when you're hiring, how to fix it if you have
a team that's dysfunctional. And now, the other phase of BG5 that I'm in is
called Profit Potential Coaching. And we're really looking at, "What are we
designed to sell, and how are we designed to sell it?" And it's
fascinating, because we know that our Defined Centers are the things that
we can lean on. Those are our strengths. That's what we have consistent in
our Design. But it's the wisdom that lives in our Undefined Centers. When
we're not in our Shadow, right? When we've gone beyond that, that's where
we are able to really sell and speak to people. And so how can we bring all
of that together to nail your target market and your niche and your
messaging and your marketing and all of it, which is super fun.

Rebecca:

That's super interesting, because I hear it both ways, right? Some people
think that Open Centers, "Oh, that's not my strength." But really it kind
of is, right?

Jackie:

Yeah. Both work together. So we speak about the Open Centers and the
Keynotes that come from that, when you're worried about, thinking about
your messaging as your superhero powers. But then what you're actually
selling to people, you're communicating that through the wisdom that lives
in your Open, your Open Center. So for example, if you think of there's
this big dichotomy in the world between the Sacral and the Non-Sacral,
right? Non-Sacral people don't have consistent Sacral energy. So they're
constantly battling when is enough enough, right? Like when am I
overworking? Where's the line?

Jackie:

And when they learn that, they can really teach other people, and sell to
other people the kind of ability to know that in themselves, how to tap
into that line, find your pleasure, and not overwork, and not really know
when enough is enough, right? In a way that, as a Sacral person, I know it
for me because it just happens. And I'll just walk away from my computer,
because I'm like, "That's enough tonight." Right? But we don't struggle
with it in the same way that someone who is an Undefined Sacral has. And so
it would be harder to teach that, in that way.

Rebecca:

Yeah. So I see what you're saying. You're saying if we have the Defined
Center, we know it for ourselves, but it's hard, because we haven't had
experience with different ways, because we're just defined in that way.
We're kind of fixed, right, in that way. So then it's harder for us to
really tell somebody else, "Hey, this would... There's this option, there's
that option. You could do it this way."

Jackie:

You want to use your Defined Centers in your business. That's what you want
to lean on. So if you have a Defined Throat, like you and I do, have this
34/20, right? We can just get on live and start talking, and it makes me
feel energized. I'm not nervous. I'm not worrying about what to think
about. I never really second guess myself if I'm in the moment, and it's an
"aha," I'll just get on and talk. And so it would be really hard for us to
be the ones teaching other people how to do that.

Rebecca:

Right. Because they don't have the 34/20.

Jackie:

Because they don't necessarily have a Defined Throat or that Channel. And
so the struggles that they're going to have to get noticed and to express
themselves, isn't necessarily going to be something that we're going to
really be able to help them with in the same way. But that doesn't mean we
shouldn't use our super powers in our business. Whatever it is that you're
selling, use the live video, use your ability to get on and interview
somebody without having six pages of notes. And just let it go. Right?

Rebecca:

Oh, that's funny that you said that. I've never wanted to have six pages of
notes to interview somebody. But I suppose some people actually think they
do that. Right? They do a lot of prep beforehand. So what you're saying-

Jackie:

Well, that could be Shadow of the Undefined Throat, a feeling like, "I must
know what I need to say." And it is a Shadow. They don't. They are very
powerful speakers, and there are definitely people who have Undefined
Throats who have probably fantastic podcasts. I'm not. The reason I've
never boxed, so please don't listen to this and say, "I have a Undefined
Throat. She if I have Undefined Throat, I can't do a podcast." That's not a
thing. But the Shadow can be there, that you feel like, "I need to really
know exactly what I'm going to say, because I'm not sure that my voice is
going to be there when I want it to be there." Whereas as a Defined Throat,
that's not something that I've ever struggled with. I know that it will be
there. I just show up and start talking.

Rebecca:

I know. And if I think about it, that's how it works for me, too. But I
never really thought about it until you just said that, and I'm like, "Of
course."

Jackie:

Because it's natural.

Rebecca:

It's easy. You just get on and have a conversation. It's no big deal.

Jackie:

This is so funny, because I love watching for places where Human Design
shows up in real life. And my husband is a Generator, and he is an
Undefined Throat. He was working on a... He's a professor, and he was
putting together a talk for a physics conference. And normally these things
are live, right? You take your talk, and you go and you deliver it in front
of an audience of people in some boring conference room at a hotel
somewhere. But it's COVID, so they're doing everything online. And they're
not doing it live. They just ask people to make a 30-minute video of their
talk.

Jackie:

And I'm like, "Honest to God. He worked on that for way too long." And I
was like, "Why is taking so long? What's the problem?" I'm trying to help
him, and he's like, "I have started recording myself at least 25 times. And
then I get like three or four slides in, and I make a mistake, or it
doesn't go the way I want, and I turn it off, and I start again." I was
like, "Sweetheart, you have to stop. It's never going to be perfect. And
you're really good at speaking when you get up in front of people. I've
seen you do it, teach, and you do this all the time." "Yeah, but it's not
the same, because then I have to watch it back." And I was like, "Just
press record and pretend you can't turn it off. And get it done."

Rebecca:

Right. It is kind of funny when we give ourselves the power, even me with a
Defined Throat. When I give myself the option that I can go and edit
something, oh my God. Editing is a disaster.

Jackie:

Because then our perfectionist tendencies can kick in. And he's like,
"Well, I need to make notes for what I'm going to say on every slide." And
I'm like, "But you wouldn't normally do that. So let's just do the thing.
And then you can be done."

Rebecca:

Right. I think for... I was thinking this. For Undefined Throats, would it
be easier in person with an audience, because aren't they kind of feeding
off the energy of the people? Right?

Jackie:

Yes.

Rebecca:

And that's what I could think. Undefined Throats, that's why I think
they're really good speakers, because they can kind of tell what people
need to hear, or how they need to hear it. Whereas us, with Defined
Throats, we just have a way we're going to say it. We're not going to
necessarily feel that energy.

Jackie:

Yeah. 100%. Right. You're right. Because the wisdom there is very powerful
expression for me. And it's also true that when we're in a group with other
people, we get to borrow their Design. So, they have lots of people in
front of them that have Defined Throats, so they get to borrow that energy
as well.

Rebecca:

Yes. Yeah. So that's an interesting way to look at it, too. So do you still
work with business owners or entrepreneurs, or what are you doing in your
business now with Human? I know you have all this. Okay, you and me and our
Manifesting Generator ness, which I always say that. "Me and my Manifesting
Generator ness." We have all these things.

Jackie:

Changing all the time right now. Yeah.

Rebecca:

I'm like, "Oh my God."

Jackie:

I do, yeah.

Rebecca:

Yeah, I really do.

Jackie:

I would say pretty much every, almost all of my clients are business
owners. And that I think a part of it stems from that's, before I even got
into Human Design, I was doing marketing consulting work. And so those were
the people I was connected to, and those were the kind of networks I was
already in, and the relationships that I had. And so it made sense, but it
also, I really love... I mean, I love marketing. And so I love seeing how
the two things come together and being like, "Here's how we can understand
ourselves and work with the energy we have, and let that apply to our
business and to our marketing and sales in a unique way. Because what works
for you isn't necessarily going to work for me." Right? Despite what we
hear in a lot of business places.

Rebecca:

I know.

Jackie:

But it's changing now, I feel like it's starting to change. People are
starting to see that the one size fits all kind of, "This is the blueprint
of how I made a million and you can do it too." Isn't a thing anymore.
We're getting away from it, but it has been the conditioned message that
we've been receiving for so long.

Jackie:

And so to be able to step outside that and say, "Look, here's an actual
physical proof. When you look at your chart, that you're not wired the same
way that somebody else is. So why would you think that you could do
business the same way that they do?" So, yes, I work with business owners.
I've been doing... I've had the privilege of working with several
businesses on this Pena work, which is business owners who've actually
hired two or three or four other people in their business, and seeing how
the dynamics come together, and helping them to see how they lead, where
their Shadows are, how the people that they're leading want to show up, the
strengths that they naturally have, the places where maybe things are a
little bit more difficult, and how can they fit into the roles that they've
been given?

Jackie:

And all of the business owners I work with want their team to be really
fulfilled, right? I want them to feel like they are doing their soul work,
even if they're working for somebody else. Some of the time we think, "Oh,
we have to have our own business in order to do exactly what we're here to
do." And that's definitely not the case if you have right group and the
right rules for everyone. And so, being able to go deep in the Pena work
has been super fun.

Jackie:

And then since I got certified in breath work, which is amazing; anyone
who's listening, who has never done breathwork, I highly recommend it.

Rebecca:

It's so good.

Jackie:

Especially if you're the type of person who tends to be all up in their
head, like I have the problem of being from time to time. It really gets
you into your body. And it was such an important piece of how I navigated
the chaos that was the last, I don't even know, year plus with pandemic and
having two small children at home for so long. It's really a great way to
regulate your nervous system. And so I decided... My Manifesting Generator
decided that it was time, and it was an "aha," even though it didn't seem
like it. I was like, "How does this fit in with this other work that..."

Jackie:

Human Design and the Pena stuff, a lot of it's very, it's very head. It's
very intellectual, right? It's facts and the chart, and we're looking at
those things, and this is very body. And bringing the two together has been
so fun. I did 10 practice sessions, because I was just like, "I want to
just really let my Line One have a solid foundation before I offer this."
And allowing in a one-to-one session, when you have someone's Human Design
in front of you, you can see their energy. Right. You can see where they're
going to need to release things. You can see what's brilliant about them,
and you can bring that into the session.

Jackie:

And so having basically a totally bespoke breath work session around your
energy, it's been so fun to facilitate them. It's so different from
anything else I'd ever done. And I'm just having so much fun doing that.
But yeah, all of my clients have basically been business owners, too. Most
of them, like me, all up in their head, who are like, "I'd just like to get
reconnected here." And yeah. Being able to come off and be like, "Wow. I
really felt like it was tailored to my energy. And I really felt like I
just anchored in who I am that much deeper." Because you get it in your
body, as opposed to just with your head.

Rebecca:

Yeah. And it seems like we attract people to us. Like the work we need to
do, it's the people who come to us. It's so funny, because when you said
the thing about the box, I love to reiterate that, because I have life
coaches who come to me. Most of my clients are life coaches, which is
interesting, because I'm a life coach. What do you know? But they come to
me with the thing that you said about being in a box of rules, right?
They've said, "Oh, I tried that system to make the money and be
successful." Because we're all following these gurus. Right? Or these...
And so when you said that, yes, that's exactly who comes to me. It's like,
all of them are like, "But I tried that and it didn't work." I'm like,
"Yeah. But look at the way you're designed, right?"

Rebecca:

This is what I love about Human Design. So when you said that, that clicks
for me, this is the work I like to do. Right? It's like, "Let's look at
your specific Design, not the way that that system to do it." Yeah. And I
do hope we're all moving at that level now, where we're all going to see,
"Oh, there's not a one size fits all."

Jackie:

Yeah. Well it's coming, right? The Human Design 2027, I don't know how far
down that rabbit hole you've gotten, but we're in this era of the Cross of
Planning right now, and we have been since, I don't even know what the date
is, but it's like 16, 1700, something like that. So it's been a long time
that we've been in this place of institutions and rules and boxes and
structures and systems and it's changing, right? We're coming into this
Cross of the Sleeping Phoenix, which is my Incarnation Cross, actually. And
very individual. And it's very feeling-centered. It is the whole mutation.
It sounds kind of crazy, and the skeptic in me is like, "What the hell?"
But that we're really going to get... People born after that date are going
to have so much more awareness emotionally from their... Actually be able
to be aware from the solar plexus in a way that we haven't been able to be
aware. And so watching that happen can only individualize us, right?

Rebecca:

Yes.

Jackie:

The more we're in touch with our feelings, and the less we're trying to
follow some checklist that somebody else created, the more we're going to
be individuals, and be able to trust our own spirit and our own feelings.
So I can see it. I can see it. And I mean, I know our biases exist. We live
in spaces and we follow people who are like us and talk about similar
things. But I do see more and more people talking about how this guru's
system or this one way of doing things isn't the only way, and that it's
time for the system to be remade. And I think that those of us who are
working with Human Design, and people who are listening to this podcast who
are curious about Human Design, and working with their own Human Design, we
are meeting that, because this map allows you to see exactly how you're
meant to be an individual, and help others to do the same.

Rebecca:

Oh, I know. I just love the power of that individuality. And I think...
Well, those of us with Line Ones too, right? We're here to do like our own
self-growth first. Right? And then help empower others. So I feel like you
and I are both, like this totally fits right? This confined stuff. Yeah. So
that's awesome. So Jackie, if somebody wants to know if they can come sign
up with a breath work session, or do something with you, where can they
find you? Do you have a website still?

Jackie:

I do.

Rebecca:

What are you up to?

Jackie:

It's at jackiejohnstone.ca.

Rebecca:

Okay.

Jackie:

I recently moved back to Canada, and I changed my web presence. And it's in
Manifesting Generator fashion. When I'm paying attention to my website,
which is happening more and more right at the moment, things are changing
weekly. So if you're listening to this, the things that might be available
to, ways to work with me might be different, but they are there, currently,
if you're listening to this right now, in June of 2021. Can book a breath
work session, can book what I call a Design Decode session, which is kind
of a sort of introduction to your Human Design. Well, it depends on your
level. To be honest, I tailor them, based on the person's level. And it
allows us to kind of get to one sticking point in your business, and how
can we use your Design to solve that? I'm very solutions focused. And so
that's what we do in those sessions.

Jackie:

And then that work leads to more ongoing work for people. And then I have
the Pena Team Analysis sessions up there, too. If you're a business owner
that works with a team, and you want to understand yourself better and your
team better so that you guys can create the Big Magic, right? Because when
we're all working in our zone of genius, that's when you really get to come
together and create something super exciting. So that's all there. And
Instagram is also the best way to follow me. And it's @jackiejohnstone as
well.

Rebecca:

Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Jackie. I'll have links in the show notes
to those places, and I am so excited that you came on today. So thank you
for joining me.

Jackie:

Thank you. I'm so excited that you've just taken this work on down the
rabbit hole, ran with it, taking it out to a whole new group of people. I
love it so much.

Rebecca:

Yeah. All right, bye.

Rebecca:

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